Tyson Fury (Lineal) vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15th 2019

Fury vs. Schwarz Winner and How?

  • Tyson Fury Stoppage

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • Tyson Fury Decision

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Tom Schwarz Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tom Schwarz Stoppage

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • Total voters
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Jul 26, 2013
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I take it once Joshua vs. Miller was announced you posted something along the lines of -

Awful fight. If Fury or Wilder took this everyone would lose their shit. Well if you're going to claim to be "the man" at HW then you have to fall by the same standards. Joke fight, regression and shows the fear of getting in with somebody more dangerous incase it all comes crashing down...
Yup.
 
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This is the kind of fight he should have taken before Wilder 1.

His camp did say that the weight cut had a huge impact on him in the fight and he was struggling badly after about 6 rounds. From a physical standpoint, this is probably the right thing to do.

From a marketing and momentum standpoint, it's really disappointing.

The thing is though, no matter how badly he stinks the place out, if he announces a fight against anyone like Joshua, Wilder or even Whyte it will still be huge so I can't see too much damage being done.
 
This is the kind of fight he should have taken before Wilder 1.

His camp did say that the weight cut had a huge impact on him in the fight and he was struggling badly after about 6 rounds. From a physical standpoint, this is probably the right thing to do.

From a marketing and momentum standpoint, it's really disappointing.

The thing is though, no matter how badly he stinks the place out, if he announces a fight against anyone like Joshua, Wilder or even Whyte it will still be huge so I can't see too much damage being done.
Everybody wants the rematch but this is free and everybody who watched the Wilder fight will watch this one and the show will go on...
 
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Everybody wants the rematch but this is free and everybody who watched the Wilder fight will watch this one and the show will go on...
The issue isn't whether people will watch it, it's the high likelihood that he's involved in a stinker which will disrupt the momentum behind him.

As I say though, I don't think it'll make much difference, a fight against the top people in the division will still be huge.
 
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Is this not going to double up with Warrington-Galahad as a BT Sport PPV?

Frank did say that Warrington-Galahad would not be PPV unless it doubled up with something big.

If you have the likes of Conlan and BJS on the undercard in Vegas then it's a hell of a night of boxing. 8+ hours of worldclass boxing for £20.
 
Jun 5, 2013
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I don't see the harm in this, we all want to see Fury active and back to his best. This doesn't mean the wilder and Joshua fights won't happen, and I'm looking forward to watching Tyson box again
 
Jan 14, 2013
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I never post however literally the arse has fallen out of the heavyweight division....We were all in a good place at the start of the year the best were gonna fight the best and at their peaks......that ain’t gonna happen now until they are all pass their primes like Pac-Man and Mayweather when competed against each other...

The TV companies and the promoters and sad to say it even the fighters have caused this situation they are all in a situation where they can make money without losing credibility of their boxer/themselves losing!!

We know who the top three heavyweights are …………………………………I have a sad feeling ithe fights will never happen tho and if they were to it will not be meaningful at all sadly .

90s heavyweight boxing and politics at the moment seem sadly rather simple at the moment!
 
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I never post however literally the arse has fallen out of the heavyweight division....We were all in a good place at the start of the year the best were gonna fight the best and at their peaks......that ain’t gonna happen now until they are all pass their primes like Pac-Man and Mayweather when competed against each other...

The TV companies and the promoters and sad to say it even the fighters have caused this situation they are all in a situation where they can make money without losing credibility of their boxer/themselves losing!!

We know who the top three heavyweights are …………………………………I have a sad feeling ithe fights will never happen tho and if they were to it will not be meaningful at all sadly .

90s heavyweight boxing and politics at the moment seem sadly rather simple at the moment!
Don't forget that we've already seen one fight in December. People are acting like none of the top 3 have fought.

I think Joshua-Wilder will happen at the back end of this year, on Showtime PPV.
 
Jan 14, 2013
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They will not meet this year any of the three!! Absolutely no chance, Once you have opposing promoters it’s nearly impossible, once you have opposing tv companies and promoters it’s ridiculously impossible

Once you have different promoters different tv companies and litreally a new media platform in DAZN it really isn’t happening any time soon...

Heavyweight boxing has well missed a trick here ,shame really when the year started so positive in terms of them wanting to fight each other in their primes....

But I guess money talks and at the end of the day pro boxing is a business!!
 
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Feb 7, 2019
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Awful fight. If Josha or Wilder took this everyone would lose their shit. Well if you're going to claim to be "the man" at HW then you have to fall by the same standards. Joke fight, regression and shows the fear of getting in with somebody more dangerous incase it all comes crashing down.
People have lost their shit over nearly everyone Wilder has ever fought.
 
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Wilder turning down $100 million for a DAZN deal is just mind boggling. It would have made the AJ fight easy to sort out next, and given Wilder more money than he has ever come close to earning. But he said no...why? AJ has already shown that it is money first for him, and while I believe he does want the big fights and does back himself, he is still money first. He expects others to take less than 50%...shit...less than 40% in some cases even though he is still earning a fortune regardless of whether he takes the lion's share or not.

Fury was the guy who seemed to be different. Said that money was not his main focus, he had enough already and it was just the big fights he wanted. Great. Then just as the rematch is in the process of trying to be sorted, he chooses to sign a big money deal with a rival TV network to Wilder's, thus ensuring it won't happen and fights fucking Schwarz. :lol: So we now know that money IS his main focus too.

Fair play, you're the one in there, you want money first...can't shit on you for it, but don't then pretend that you're all about legacy. Fury's opponent is the worst of the 3. Miller would batter Schwarz.
 
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I can't remember if we've ever been in a position where we have three guys, clearly head and shoulders above everyone, refuse to fight each other for petty reasons like this. It';s happened with the top 2 plenty of times, but three??? Surely two of them should get together and say fuck it, lets freeze the other guy out and make a fortune with each other!

Hearn
Haymon
Arum

Three cnuts
 
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I can't remember if we've ever been in a position where we have three guys, clearly head and shoulders above everyone, refuse to fight each other for petty reasons like this. It';s happened with the top 2 plenty of times, but three??? Surely two of them should get together and say fuck it, lets freeze the other guy out and make a fortune with each other!

Hearn
Haymon
Arum

Three cnuts
Fury and Wilder already fought, do you have a short memory?
 

sosolid4u09

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Fury and Wilder already fought, do you have a short memory?
you know what i mean

at the time it wasn't considered a fight between 2 of the top 3 heavyweights. Everyone thought fury would get starched.

Now, we have three legitimate heavyweights clearly the best in the division. and barriers are going up left right centre for them to fight
 
Jun 6, 2012
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Fury was the guy who seemed to be different. Said that money was not his main focus, he had enough already and it was just the big fights he wanted. Great. Then just as the rematch is in the process of trying to be sorted, he chooses to sign a big money deal with a rival TV network to Wilder's, thus ensuring it won't happen and fights fucking Schwarz. :lol: So we now know that money IS his main focus too.
Maybe I'm fanboying, and if I'm proven to be I will hold my hands up, but I'm willing to give Fury a bit of time.

They've said this deal was more about giving him a 'home' platform on which to make the fights and ensuring that if they are made he doesn't always have to be the away fighter getting the shitty end of decisions.

That's fair enough to me. Just because somebody else has a tv deal doesn't mean you can't sign one yourself. You don't have to do everything you can to remain 'B' side because somebody else is perceived 'A'.

You do what's best for you.
 
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Maybe I'm fanboying, and if I'm proven to be I will hold my hands up, but I'm willing to give Fury a bit of time.

They've said this deal was more about giving him a 'home' platform on which to make the fights and ensuring that if they are made he doesn't always have to be the away fighter getting the shitty end of decisions.

That's fair enough to me. Just because somebody else has a tv deal doesn't mean you can't sign one yourself. You don't have to do everything you can to remain 'B' side because somebody else is perceived 'A'.

You do what's best for you.
Aye, but he had made his name already and made his name bigger in the US with the Wilder result. All the Americans thought it was a robbery, and in a rematch no way would he get stiffed on points if he was doing as he did but without nearly getting KO'd.

I am not criticising him for giving himself the best deal, but it means he cannot say he doesn't care about the money or call out Joshua for not being a "fighting man". He had the chance to make the Wilder rematch work and chose to make it much harder by signing a multifight deal for cash and two easy fights this year.

Schwarz is an awful opponent who I would pick to lose to Miller, Breazeale, Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Parker, Pulev, Chisora, Kownacki, Takam and Joyce...never mind AJ, Wilder and Fury. In fact, Schwarz might lose to Washington and Martin too.

Then who next? Maybe Kownacki near the end of the year? He will end up fighting twice in 2019 and not one of them will be a top 4 opponent.
 
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Aye, but he had made his name already and made his name bigger in the US with the Wilder result. All the Americans thought it was a robbery, and in a rematch no way would he get stiffed on points if he was doing as he did but without nearly getting KO'd.

I am not criticising him for giving himself the best deal, but it means he cannot say he doesn't care about the money or call out Joshua for not being a "fighting man". He had the chance to make the Wilder rematch work and chose to make it much harder by signing a multifight deal for cash and two easy fights this year.

Schwarz is an awful opponent who I would pick to lose to Miller, Breazeale, Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Parker, Pulev, Chisora, Kownacki, Takam and Joyce...never mind AJ, Wilder and Fury. In fact, Schwarz might lose to Washington and Martin too.

Then who next? Maybe Kownacki near the end of the year? He will end up fighting twice in 2019 and not one of them will be a top 4 opponent.
Yeah, if he says he'll fight anybody for nothing, we know hes talking nonsense. Which we did anyway tbf.

Aside from that, all he's done is protected himself and his team.

I still see Fury Wilder as the first fight that'll be made, and Fury will be the 'home' fighter, which would make this deal a superb move.
 
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How does this play out with the WBO?
Schwarz WBO#2 and Fury WBO#4.
Does a win over Schwarz put Fury into #1 position over Dillian Whyte?
Does a mandatory position help Fury?
Fury is close to being mandatory for two belts.

With this new team, they can win the purse bids and make people come to him and his network. That or drop the belts.
 
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