Tyson Fury (Lineal & WBC) vs. Deontay Wilder III

Fury vs. Wilder III Winner and How?

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May 25, 2013
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I actually feel sorry for Wilder, he's going to get beaten up even worse next time. You don't just come back from being dominated like that. At least AJ had Ruiz down and showed he could be competitive at times so there was a decent chance he could execute a different game plan and win.

What the hell can Wilder do differently next time? He isn't going to out box Fury and Fury showed this time he can't out punch him either. It's like if they threw Lacy in with Calzaghe after the first fight, it's borderline cruel.

Feels to me that without the belt Wilder has lost most of his value to Finkel and Haymon and as they don't have options on Fury all they can really do is throw Wilder back in there and hope for a miracle and if it doesn't happen they have at least squeezed the very last amount of value out of Wilder before they feed him to the wolves.
 

Ar558a

Fighting the Fury loving Scum
Jun 2, 2019
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I'm going Wilder to get the KO and even the series. He lost largely due to the Equilibrium issue so I still feel he has a good chance to finish it if that doesn't happen next time.
 
May 8, 2016
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Wilder could exercise the rematch clause and make another $25 million. Or he could fight a regular top ten guy for pocket change and if he loses its goodbye $25 Million.

Regardless to stand a chance he needs to make changes in his team. The training team instead of improving him technically or ironing out his flaws have used the " If it nots broke no need to fix it.." philosophy.

The argument put forth by his coach Jay Deas has been that despite what the critics were saying Wilder keeps winning so need to do anything technically..!

They seriously need experience, Buddy Mcgirt, Ronnie Shields, John David Jackson, Nazim Richardson.
Any competent coach would be better then what they have. Even then it would be a tough ask for Wilder.

He cant box and move fluidly, balance is atrocious, cant fight in the pocket at close quarters. Does not know how to throw sustained combinations. Does not have a body attack.

All he has is a weak range finding jab and right hand cocked backwards waiting for an opportunity to throw it. And a windmill attack that mostly misses then he lands.
 
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Jun 6, 2012
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Wilder could exercise the rematch clause and make another $25 million. Or he could fight a regular top ten guy for pocket change and if he loses its goodbye $25 Million.

Regardless to stand a chance he needs to make changes in his team. The training team instead of improving him technically or ironing out his flaws have used the " If it nots broke no need to fix it.." philosophy.

The argument put forth by his coach Jay Deas has been that despite what the critics were saying Wilder keeps winning so need to do anything technically..!

They seriously need experience, Buddy Mcgirt, Ronnie Shields, John David Jackson, Nazim Richardson.
Any competent coach would be better then what they have. Even then it would be a tough ask for Wilder.

He cant box and move fluidly, balance is atrocious, cant fight in the pocket at close quarters. Does not know how to throw sustained combinations. Does not have a body attack.

All he has is a weak range finding jab and right hand cocked backwards waiting for an opportunity to throw it. And a windmill attack that mostly misses then he lands.
Agree. If you’re Wilder you have to take the rematch. He’s 35, it’s a long road back if he wants to “rebuild”. What’s he gonna do, fight the likes of Prince Charles Martin for a few mil on Fox?

Roll the dice, bring in a whole new coaching team and take the rematch. If it goes wrong, no drama, he can retire knowing he took 50m+ for those 3 Fury fights
 

Ernest Shackleton

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Jun 8, 2013
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Wilder could exercise the rematch clause and make another $25 million. Or he could fight a regular top ten guy for pocket change and if he loses its goodbye $25 Million.

Regardless to stand a chance he needs to make changes in his team. The training team instead of improving him technically or ironing out his flaws have used the " If it nots broke no need to fix it.." philosophy.

The argument put forth by his coach Jay Deas has been that despite what the critics were saying Wilder keeps winning so need to do anything technically..!

They seriously need experience, Buddy Mcgirt, Ronnie Shields, John David Jackson, Nazim Richardson.
Any competent coach would be better then what they have. Even then it would be a tough ask for Wilder.

He cant box and move fluidly, balance is atrocious, cant fight in the pocket at close quarters. Does not know how to throw sustained combinations. Does not have a body attack.

All he has is a weak range finding jab and right hand cocked backwards waiting for an opportunity to throw it. And a windmill attack that mostly misses then he lands.
At 35 years of age it would be a coaching miracle to sort Wilder out.
 
May 8, 2016
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At 35 years of age it would be a coaching miracle to sort Wilder out.
Thats true but a great coach even with a flawed fighter will make a few miniscule adjustments in the training to better prepare a fighter.

For example the legendary veteran British Boxing Coach George Francis. In preparaing Bruno for his fight with Tyson.
Brought in a wrestling guy to teach Bruno how to clinch and cope better whilst in the clinches so he would be mentally prepared.

Tyson was known for his relentless attacks...So Francis to help Bruno be mentally prepared along with regular sparring had short 30 second sparring drills and instructed the sparring partners to try and knock Bruno out.

Then we have Dennis Andries a completley one dimensional after he got brutally hammered by Thomas Hearns. He susequently joined the Kronk gym some say his real age was 38 when he did. When Steward was told you cant teach an old dog new tricks. Steward responded he is a dog who does not know any tricks.. He will learn.

Steward did perform a miracle with Andries.
 
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Jul 6, 2019
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I think Wilder takes it.

He's a proud man with a fighter's heart.

It's the biggest payday, (other than maybe AJ), and he has 500 kids and a dozen stylists to support.

All his team will advise him to take it, (mainly cause they are self-interested snakes).

He will believe he still has a chance in the rematch.

He does still have a chance in the rematch.
 
Jun 6, 2012
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At 35 years of age it would be a coaching miracle to sort Wilder out.
Wilder is what he is, you can’t rebuild him from scratch but he can make subtle adjustments (which might just come down to decent instructions)

Wilder being so right hand happy could be used to his advantage. Fury was able to telegraph that shot every time so if Fury thinks it’s coming, why not throw something else instead?

I was expecting to see double jabs, hooks off the jab, Wilder feinting the right hand (& when Fury dips outside to roll it) throw a hook instead etc etc.

just some form of variation to stop Fury getting into a rhythm. We didn’t see any of that, nothing.

A new coach, some new ideas, some new instructions & just some new combinations would be a good start
 
Oct 29, 2018
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I'm going Wilder to get the KO and even the series. He lost largely due to the Equilibrium issue so I still feel he has a good chance to finish it if that doesn't happen next time.
Noted and bookmarked.

No doubt you will have another cheap excuse when Fury wins again.
 

Ar558a

Fighting the Fury loving Scum
Jun 2, 2019
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Noted and bookmarked.

No doubt you will have another cheap excuse when Fury wins again.
I'm not saying Fury didn't deserve to win but rounds 3-7 were against a guy who could hardly stand due to his balance! He fell over of his own accord like three times, you don't get credit for being able to beat that!
 

KOTF

$800 undisputed LHW champ
Remember when Floyd Patterson got blown out by Sonny Liston, and Floyd shocked everyone and executed the rematch clause? He got the same result he did in the first fight. The only fighter I remember that got completely schooled in the first fight only to do the immediate rematch and blow out his opponent is Paul Williams against Carlos Quintana.

So basically Wilder has to go for the windmill in the first round or it's over
 
Aug 2, 2013
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A 3rd fight would probably be similar to the 3rd Jones-Tarver fight. Wilder will change his strategy a little and probably be more competitive than the 2nd fight but still clearly lose.
 
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