Tyson Fury (Lineal & WBC) vs. Deontay Wilder III

Fury vs. Wilder III Winner and How?

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Jun 5, 2013
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825k is huge PPV numbers in America at $80 a buy. I cannot see a third fight doing nearly as well though unless wilder goes away and beats another top guy. I think a better scenario would be

Fury v Joshua
Wilder v Whyte

With the winners fighting each other for all the belts. That would generate huge numbers all around. Of course this will never happen in the mess that is boxing...
 
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Wonder if there is a win/win position somewhere? Perhaps Wilder could receive some step aside money and a guarantee he would get to fight the winner? It would give Wilder more recovery time too.

Wouldn't Dillian Whyte love that idea.
This is the best option by far, wilder gets 5mil or whatever and fights some bum he can destroy in a round, aj fights fury and wilder gets the winner. Everyone gets what they want and wilder doesn't look like a coward.
 
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825k is huge PPV numbers in America at $80 a buy. I cannot see a third fight doing nearly as well though unless wilder goes away and beats another top guy. I think a better scenario would be

Fury v Joshua
Wilder v Whyte

With the winners fighting each other for all the belts. That would generate huge numbers all around. Of course this will never happen in the mess that is boxing...
I can't see Whyte wanting to fight Wilder now he's lost his belt.

Wilder has stiffed him for years, why risk your position now against him. I wouldn't if I was him.
 

Ar558a

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According Warren only way out would be to pay Wilder step aside money.
Hmm I doubt he would take anything less than $10m plus a cast iron contract to take on the Winner of Fury v AJ (assuming that fight is made). I doubt Arum will pay that much.
 

DB Cooper

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This is the best option by far, wilder gets 5mil or whatever and fights some bum he can destroy in a round, aj fights fury and wilder gets the winner. Everyone gets what they want and wilder doesn't look like a coward.
I would be surprised if something like that doesn't get put to Wilder. But Whyte's mandatory would get further delayed in the process. So he might have his hand out as well.
 

DB Cooper

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According Warren only way out would be to pay Wilder step aside money.
Kellerman's theory that Fury has to approve the rematch was corrected by Arum. Arum said it doesn't matter what he or Fury have to say, if Wilder is willing to accept 40% and accepts the fight within 25 days, it is on.

So Kellerman is wrong.
 

DB Cooper

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According to Arum there are 3 possible locations for Fury-Wilder III and they are named in the rematch clause in the fight II contract as :

1/ Las Vegas
2/ California
3/ New York

Arum goes on to say that the rematch clause stipulates the 3rd fight is to happen prior to the end of July, but he would like it later so as it might be held at the new Raiders Stadium in Las Vegas which is due for completion later in the year than end of July.
 
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I think it is safe to conclude that Deontay Wilder has already taken too many punches to the head. What normal person talks like that.


‘Hello my people, my Bomb Squad army, my Bomb Squad nation, to all my loved ones around the world, I just want to let you know I am here,’ Wilder said to his fans in a video on Instagram.

Tyson Fury needed just seven rounds to beat Deontay Wilder
‘Your king is here. And we ain’t going nowhere, for the war has just begun.
‘I will rise again. I am strong. I am a king, you can’t take my pride.
‘I am a warrior. I am a king that will never give up. I’m a king that will fight to the death.
‘And if anyone don’t understand that, don’t understand what it is to go to war, don’t understand what it is to fight, we will rise again. We will regain the title.”
 
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Hi lads I thought I'd type up some shit to keep my mind off not seshing on weekends anymore and the whole Fury/Wilder fight. Bit late I know but I can't be fucked doing a thread and wasn't around for the fight, for reasons I'll go into. Hope you enjoy if you do read.

I didn't watch Fury/Wilder II live. I was never going to pay for it and wouldn't be in danger of having to cough up around 50 quid like the yanks would've had to (which as predicted massively fucked the entire buyrate because of the greed and not looking at the first match, naively thinking the first fight would bump the buyrate massively. 850k is nothing to be sniffed at tbf but it would've been much higher had they not been absolute fleecing bastards). I just did not feel pleased about Fury getting up after getting Godpunched into Oblivion in the 12th, clearly winning the fight and even with the knockdowns, then getting robbed PURELY to tack on a sequel. Wasn't happy about II having a built in sequel too but we'll get to that.

I made a thread a while back where I made my feelings known that I was done with boxing and wasn't ever gonna pay or watch for the second one. I was half truthful, maybe a quarter. I calmed down and while I really don't follow boxing at all close to how I did back when I posted often around here, I'll still watch the occasional big 'un. But I stuck to my word and did not watch Fury/Wilder, kept away from all the build up despite noticing how massive it was getting here, particularly after the ITV shows. I went down to London, enjoyed a good sesh minus the booze and kept the fuck away from the fight.

But I realised at around 5am the fight would probably be over now so anxiously googled it to expect to see Fury having been twatted in four by Wilder and the whole first fight being an afterthought. Wrong. "Holy shit, Fury put Wilder down." This was around round 4 by the RBR's, then the more I read "Holy shit Wilder is fucked he put him down again!" then the fight was over, done. Watched a clip on YouTube, watched it the next day absolutely off my face on MDMA. It would seem bragging but I'll just get into that cos it's as much part of the story for me.

So I set up to watch the fight the next day and did so, I thought Wilder looked poor from the very beginning, his footwork was absolutely abysmal, and he was never recovering after the temple/ear shot in the third. The clinching and weight was not helping either, he was done. I'm not buying into the 40lbs excuse but moreso even if its true, I can't believe a man who has such pride in himself and wanting "a body" would say such idiotic tripe like "i don't wanna make excuses but me outfit was a bit heavy" then threatening to fire his trainer for tossing in the towel. If it wasn't him, it would've been Bayless soon after and if it wasn't either? He'd be dead by the 10th. He was getting dangerously close to being a body himself in my opinion.

But what amazed me, if you watch it back, is how Fury finished the fight. If you look at the final round, Wilder throws a combination VERY similar to what he caught Fury with to nearly end him in the 12th of the first. Even the camera angle is the same. But Fury avoids it, turns him around and stops him. It's just such a perfect finish to an amazing rematch. I couldn't have been happier.

Anyway, later on in the day when the MDMA really kicked in I watched the 12th round of the first fight again and nearly had a proper flipout attack when Fury hit the canvas and got up. I just couldn't take it, literally had to ask my mate to turn it off because it blew my fucking head off. I've watched both the 12th and the whole fight of II a dozen times this week, just really elated for him. I'd be very excited for a third fight and I will watch this one because honestly, what made me stick to my guns was simply the fact that I felt Fury deserved that fight and that win. It would've been one thing if he got up and survived, but he GOT UP, SURVIVED and then punched Wilder around the ring in the last one WITH HIS HANDS BEHIND HIS BACK. That does not happen. That is insane stuff. But now I feel he's got his deserved justice and win, it's fine and I'll take a third however it goes. It is a bit of a dampener for Wilder to shit on Fury's victory parade with a bunch of nonsense but he is a proud man, so it's probably a bitter pill to swallow.

I think Fury decimates him in the third, honestly. He's found a great blueprint to fight Wilder from distance and in close, and never in the middle. Keep him on the backfoot and bully him, don't give him the room. He is still a bit inaccurate with his punches sometimes and throws somewhat clumsy shots that are more of a danger than doing good work at times, but I don't know how Wilder is gonna approach a third and if I were his guys, particularly if they're smart about looking at the numbers, I would put that off and make way for Joshua/Fury, but this is boxing so it's very unlikely.

I really just wanted to make this post not to have a rant about my thoughts on the fight or how my weekend was spent during it or even how great I am for not just watching it like practically everyone in Britain and a lot in the US did, but just the thought. The thought of this journey Tyson Fury has put us through. I remember watching this bloke on ITV and Channel 5 in the early days. He was treat as a joke, like a new Audley Harrison, this clown who just couldn't string a sentence together almost and was just so cringey. And he rose up to beat guys like Martin Rogan who I'd be rooting for at that time, punching himself in the face, in an absolute classic with Cunningham, to doing the unbelievable against Klitschko. Fairplay it might have just been Klitschko didn't show up, but then he did this freak fight with Wilder. After all the depression and bad times, he just comes back and outboxes Wilder, feels the power and gets hit by a holy hand grenade in Round 12, gets up in one of the most insane displays of boxing and courage I've ever seen.

It just still blows my mind. I called that in Round 12, I remember leaning over and saying to me dad when we were watching it live "he's gonna get caught and knocked clean out. Watch it. Watch it happen." Then it did and I was just gutted for him, then this mad bastard just gets up! I was going fucking mental, I couldn't believe it, and then he started giving it back to him! I just could not believe what the fuck kind of bloke this was.

Anyway that'll do for my rant, just wanted to put thoughts to digital paper or whatever. Love Fury me, and I'm so happy he got his revenge. Can't wait for the third and hope he continues to live a full life. Given me some absolutely amazing nights, even when I didn't tune in for the live show.
 
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825k is huge PPV numbers in America at $80 a buy. I cannot see a third fight doing nearly as well though unless wilder goes away and beats another top guy. I think a better scenario would be

Fury v Joshua
Wilder v Whyte

With the winners fighting each other for all the belts. That would generate huge numbers all around. Of course this will never happen in the mess that is boxing...
Arum stated that due to promotion costs, 800-850k buys was the break even mark.

This means, despite the superbowl ads and everything else, they just made their money back. It also means no PPV upside for Fury or Wilder

It also means AJ earned more for Ruiz 2 than Fury and wilder combined

I can see Wilder getting step aside money and Fury v AJ heading to Saudi, a 3rd wilder fight will bea step down business wise as nobody really wants to see it.
 
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Hi lads I thought I'd type up some shit to keep my mind off not seshing on weekends anymore and the whole Fury/Wilder fight. Bit late I know but I can't be fucked doing a thread and wasn't around for the fight, for reasons I'll go into. Hope you enjoy if you do read.

I didn't watch Fury/Wilder II live. I was never going to pay for it and wouldn't be in danger of having to cough up around 50 quid like the yanks would've had to (which as predicted massively fucked the entire buyrate because of the greed and not looking at the first match, naively thinking the first fight would bump the buyrate massively. 850k is nothing to be sniffed at tbf but it would've been much higher had they not been absolute fleecing bastards). I just did not feel pleased about Fury getting up after getting Godpunched into Oblivion in the 12th, clearly winning the fight and even with the knockdowns, then getting robbed PURELY to tack on a sequel. Wasn't happy about II having a built in sequel too but we'll get to that.

I made a thread a while back where I made my feelings known that I was done with boxing and wasn't ever gonna pay or watch for the second one. I was half truthful, maybe a quarter. I calmed down and while I really don't follow boxing at all close to how I did back when I posted often around here, I'll still watch the occasional big 'un. But I stuck to my word and did not watch Fury/Wilder, kept away from all the build up despite noticing how massive it was getting here, particularly after the ITV shows. I went down to London, enjoyed a good sesh minus the booze and kept the fuck away from the fight.

But I realised at around 5am the fight would probably be over now so anxiously googled it to expect to see Fury having been twatted in four by Wilder and the whole first fight being an afterthought. Wrong. "Holy shit, Fury put Wilder down." This was around round 4 by the RBR's, then the more I read "Holy shit Wilder is fucked he put him down again!" then the fight was over, done. Watched a clip on YouTube, watched it the next day absolutely off my face on MDMA. It would seem bragging but I'll just get into that cos it's as much part of the story for me.

So I set up to watch the fight the next day and did so, I thought Wilder looked poor from the very beginning, his footwork was absolutely abysmal, and he was never recovering after the temple/ear shot in the third. The clinching and weight was not helping either, he was done. I'm not buying into the 40lbs excuse but moreso even if its true, I can't believe a man who has such pride in himself and wanting "a body" would say such idiotic tripe like "i don't wanna make excuses but me outfit was a bit heavy" then threatening to fire his trainer for tossing in the towel. If it wasn't him, it would've been Bayless soon after and if it wasn't either? He'd be dead by the 10th. He was getting dangerously close to being a body himself in my opinion.

But what amazed me, if you watch it back, is how Fury finished the fight. If you look at the final round, Wilder throws a combination VERY similar to what he caught Fury with to nearly end him in the 12th of the first. Even the camera angle is the same. But Fury avoids it, turns him around and stops him. It's just such a perfect finish to an amazing rematch. I couldn't have been happier.

Anyway, later on in the day when the MDMA really kicked in I watched the 12th round of the first fight again and nearly had a proper flipout attack when Fury hit the canvas and got up. I just couldn't take it, literally had to ask my mate to turn it off because it blew my fucking head off. I've watched both the 12th and the whole fight of II a dozen times this week, just really elated for him. I'd be very excited for a third fight and I will watch this one because honestly, what made me stick to my guns was simply the fact that I felt Fury deserved that fight and that win. It would've been one thing if he got up and survived, but he GOT UP, SURVIVED and then punched Wilder around the ring in the last one WITH HIS HANDS BEHIND HIS BACK. That does not happen. That is insane stuff. But now I feel he's got his deserved justice and win, it's fine and I'll take a third however it goes. It is a bit of a dampener for Wilder to shit on Fury's victory parade with a bunch of nonsense but he is a proud man, so it's probably a bitter pill to swallow.

I think Fury decimates him in the third, honestly. He's found a great blueprint to fight Wilder from distance and in close, and never in the middle. Keep him on the backfoot and bully him, don't give him the room. He is still a bit inaccurate with his punches sometimes and throws somewhat clumsy shots that are more of a danger than doing good work at times, but I don't know how Wilder is gonna approach a third and if I were his guys, particularly if they're smart about looking at the numbers, I would put that off and make way for Joshua/Fury, but this is boxing so it's very unlikely.

I really just wanted to make this post not to have a rant about my thoughts on the fight or how my weekend was spent during it or even how great I am for not just watching it like practically everyone in Britain and a lot in the US did, but just the thought. The thought of this journey Tyson Fury has put us through. I remember watching this bloke on ITV and Channel 5 in the early days. He was treat as a joke, like a new Audley Harrison, this clown who just couldn't string a sentence together almost and was just so cringey. And he rose up to beat guys like Martin Rogan who I'd be rooting for at that time, punching himself in the face, in an absolute classic with Cunningham, to doing the unbelievable against Klitschko. Fairplay it might have just been Klitschko didn't show up, but then he did this freak fight with Wilder. After all the depression and bad times, he just comes back and outboxes Wilder, feels the power and gets hit by a holy hand grenade in Round 12, gets up in one of the most insane displays of boxing and courage I've ever seen.

It just still blows my mind. I called that in Round 12, I remember leaning over and saying to me dad when we were watching it live "he's gonna get caught and knocked clean out. Watch it. Watch it happen." Then it did and I was just gutted for him, then this mad bastard just gets up! I was going fucking mental, I couldn't believe it, and then he started giving it back to him! I just could not believe what the fuck kind of bloke this was.

Anyway that'll do for my rant, just wanted to put thoughts to digital paper or whatever. Love Fury me, and I'm so happy he got his revenge. Can't wait for the third and hope he continues to live a full life. Given me some absolutely amazing nights, even when I didn't tune in for the live show.
Looking forward to part 2.
 
Jul 6, 2019
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Wilder needs a new trainer asap, Lennox Lewis should train him and teach him the basics

I know Wilder will get stopped again but I want to believe the Wilder hype is real, I say Wilder weighs in at 210lbs and actually dodges Fury's punches and then catches him... lol
Agree he needs a new trainer, but is he willing to listen, and can he learn at this stage?

Breland, as a good ex fighter, surely must've tried to impart some fundamentals onto him, and he either hasn't listened or is incapable.

He also has to accept he made mistakes, was beaten by the better man, and needs to make changes if he's to win the rematch, and he isn't talking like that's the case. Making silly excuses and calling yourself a king won't do the job.

Having listed to Adam Booth's analysis, he could be a good coach for Wilder.

They already know each other. Booth is also used to training Haye, so he has trained an egotistical, explosive fighter to face bigger men.

Booth could help him with his balance, get him fighting small, slipping punches, setting up the right hand, dealing with feints, and setting traps of his own.

Booth might not fancy it, and Wilder probably wouldn't as controlling a coach though, so it probably doesn't happen. Don't think it would be enough to change the outcome either.
 
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I can't see Whyte wanting to fight Wilder now he's lost his belt.

Wilder has stiffed him for years, why risk your position now against him. I wouldn't if I was him.
Whyte has said he would still fight Wilder. He has always seemed to fancy the job, so maybe it could happen.

I personally don't think it's a sensible choice for either man though.
 
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Lewis’s lone coaching stint with David Price did not go to well.
If Lennox were to get involved with Wilder, his career would tank, he'd end up fighting Dave Allen within 18 months and Finkel would have a sex change due to the stress of it all.
Still blame Lennox and Price for Kellie Maloney.
 
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Wilder is 35 this year and relies on reflexes and explosive speed.

In all honesty his legs being "done" has More to do with career heaviest weight and hitting his mid 30s than that uniform.

I think wilder is close to done tbh, I don't see any big rebuild and comeback for him. I said he needed to take that AJ fight before he hit 35 or his chances of winning would nosedive.
 
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Agree he needs a new trainer, but is he willing to listen, and can he learn at this stage?

Breland, as a good ex fighter, surely must've tried to impart some fundamentals onto him, and he either hasn't listened or is incapable.

He also has to accept he made mistakes, was beaten by the better man, and needs to make changes if he's to win the rematch, and he isn't talking like that's the case. Making silly excuses and calling yourself a king won't do the job.

Having listed to Adam Booth's analysis, he could be a good coach for Wilder.

They already know each other. Booth is also used to training Haye, so he has trained an egotistical, explosive fighter to face bigger men.

Booth could help him with his balance, get him fighting small, slipping punches, setting up the right hand, dealing with feints, and setting traps of his own.

Booth might not fancy it, and Wilder probably wouldn't as controlling a coach though, so it probably doesn't happen. Don't think it would be enough to change the outcome either.
I had an obsession with trainers back in the day, ever since reading Angelo Dundees book "I only talk winning".. And his apprentice with elite coaches at stillmans gym.

Would obsessively read and collect articles and interviews with coaches.

I think Adam Booth is no better then a Jim Mcdonnell, but more articulate and self-confident comes across well on tv... And the weird contraptions he uses were taken by his own admission from Jorge Rubio.

And the social media hype on forums on him being the "Dark Lord"...helped his career.

Part of being a known trainer is also being able to engender the right kind of publicity and hype for yourself thats part of the hustle of being a trainer.

Only a select few coaches in boxing have the ability and proven track record to take on a fighter and make technical adjustments and improvements in a short space of time. ..Freddie Roach, Ronnie Shields, John David Jackson, Buddy Mcgirt, Joe Goosen, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad.. maybe one or two others.

As for the rest its just about being at the right place at the right time and good self promotion.

Adam Booth is a good coach but is he amongst the creme de la creme? I am not so sure like to see how he progresses with the likes of Josh Kelly and Harlem Eubanks to see if he is more then just part good coach and part great self publicist.
 
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