***UFC!*** The Authentic Official Israel "The Last Stylebender" Adesanya Undefeated, Undisputed Middleweight Champion / General MMA Thread

Who do you WANT to win? (Not who do you think WILL win)

  • I want the Fighting Irish to win

  • I want the 209 to represent again

  • I just want a good, action-packed fight like the last one

  • Test to see if I can change the poll?

  • Are these options 4 and 5?


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Nov 14, 2015
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Lots of nonsense in this post.

Nobody, especially judges, should be scoring a fight as champion vs challenger, there's nothing in the rules which says to do this. If Reyes wins 3 close round, he should be the champion. You don't have to 'rip the belt off him', 'show you're the man' or any other cliche.

"the real winner is the one who looks like if there was a sudden death overtime round, he would get the better of it" is nonsense too and ignores any strategy in the fight. If your strategy is to win the first 3 rounds and then coast 2, you're not going to look like you'd win a 6th round. Winning the 5th round is no better than winning the 1st.
You seriously don't think a "sudden death overtime" variable should be in the back of judges' minds when they pencil in their scores at the end of a round?
 

Haggis

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Lots of nonsense in this post.

Nobody, especially judges, should be scoring a fight as champion vs challenger, there's nothing in the rules which says to do this. If Reyes wins 3 close round, he should be the champion. You don't have to 'rip the belt off him', 'show you're the man' or any other cliche.

"the real winner is the one who looks like if there was a sudden death overtime round, he would get the better of it" is nonsense too and ignores any strategy in the fight. If your strategy is to win the first 3 rounds and then coast 2, you're not going to look like you'd win a 6th round. Winning the 5th round is no better than winning the 1st.
Didn't say that was the rules (clearly, it is not), didn't say I am right to feel that way. That's the way I was raised watching fights since I was a kid, and a lot of people had that mentality. I didn't say that stunning round 5 is more important than winning round 3.

To me, this fight can not be called a robbery, because it was too close. If the fight was that close (and it was), then I am fine with Jones retaining the belt. More than I would have been with Reyes taking the belt based off one round that was basically a coinflip. I watched it in a bar and didn't score it round by round, but my impression was that it was 2-2 with one round that could go either way. That being the case, I am fine with the decision going to the defending champion who took over the championship rounds closed the show stronger. You may feel that Reyes won the fight clearly. That's fine - I don't think he did, and that being the case, I am okay with the champion retaining rather than losing his belt to a challenger m who lost 2 rounds clear, didn't win 3 clear rounds, and who was clearly fading down the home stretch. You feel different, that's fine. I think this fight was close enough that the benefit of the doubt goes to the reigning champion. Nowhere did I say that's the rules or that's how everybody should call out. :bart

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Didn't say that was the rules (clearly, it is not), didn't say I am right to feel that way. That's the way I was raised watching fights since I was a kid, and a lot of people had that mentality. I didn't say that stunning round 5 is more important than winning round 3.

To me, this fight can not be called a robbery, because it was too close. If the fight was that close (and it was), then I am fine with Jones retaining the belt. More than I would have been with Reyes taking the belt based off one round that was basically a coinflip. I watched it in a bar and didn't score it round by round, but my impression was that it was 2-2 with one round that could go either way. That being the case, I am fine with the decision going to the defending champion who took over the championship rounds closed the show stronger. You may feel that Reyes won the fight clearly. That's fine - I don't think he did, and that being the case, I am okay with the champion retaining rather than losing his belt to a challenger m who lost 2 rounds clear, didn't win 3 clear rounds, and who was clearly fading down the home stretch. You feel different, that's fine. I think this fight was close enough that the benefit of the doubt goes to the reigning champion. Nowhere did I say that's the rules or that's how everybody should call out. :bart

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sudden death overtime

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May 19, 2013
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Didn't say that was the rules (clearly, it is not), didn't say I am right to feel that way. That's the way I was raised watching fights since I was a kid, and a lot of people had that mentality. I didn't say that stunning round 5 is more important than winning round 3.

To me, this fight can not be called a robbery, because it was too close. If the fight was that close (and it was), then I am fine with Jones retaining the belt. More than I would have been with Reyes taking the belt based off one round that was basically a coinflip. I watched it in a bar and didn't score it round by round, but my impression was that it was 2-2 with one round that could go either way. That being the case, I am fine with the decision going to the defending champion who took over the championship rounds closed the show stronger. You may feel that Reyes won the fight clearly. That's fine - I don't think he did, and that being the case, I am okay with the champion retaining rather than losing his belt to a challenger m who lost 2 rounds clear, didn't win 3 clear rounds, and who was clearly fading down the home stretch. You feel different, that's fine. I think this fight was close enough that the benefit of the doubt goes to the reigning champion. Nowhere did I say that's the rules or that's how everybody should call out. :bart

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You basically said a strong finish is more important than a strong start.

I don't think it was a robbery. The 49-46 card was ridiculous though.

You can't score a fight with 'benefit of doubt' in mind though. You score each round objectively and then you have a winner at the end.
 
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Reyes won that fight by 3 rounds to 2 on my card, but Jones was stronger down the stretch and Reyes didn't win by enough that he can cry too hard about not getting the decision and winning the belt by the skin of his teeth. I still think you gotta take the belt away from the champion, and even if Reyes won two rounds clear, lost two rounds clear and just barely edged the third, he didn't do enough that he showed he's The Man now.

I also still feel that in a fight that is very close on the cards, the real winner is the one who looks like if there was a sudden death overtime round, he would get the better of it. In this fight, Jones looked fresher and like he had the momentum down the stretch. The last two rounds, Reyes was clearly fading and Jones was taking over.

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Fuck me, Haggis, your posts make me howl with laughter so many times! :rofl
 
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You basically said a strong finish is more important than a strong start.

I don't think it was a robbery. The 49-46 card was ridiculous though.

You can't score a fight with 'benefit of doubt' in mind though. You score each round objectively and then you have a winner at the end.
You can never score a round, let alone a fight, truly objectively. Everybody likes one guy more than the other, everybody likes one style more than the other.

I watched it in a bar, but I seem to recall it was 2 rounds pretty clear Reyes, 2 rounds pretty clear Jones, one round very close. Neither man was ever seriously hurt, neither man was close to getting finished at any point.

If I can see that the close round is close enough that a good case can be made either way, then I am happy with a world title not changing hands based on essentially a coinflip.

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Especially when over the fight as a whole, Reyes was clearly fading and Jones was taking over. Does that have anything to do with the rules? No. But I don't think that Reyes took the belt off the champ. He gave him a huge scare, but I think Jones would have been robbed to lose his belt in a fight where he clearly won two rounds, did not clearly lose three rounds, was never hurt, and had all the momentum at the end of the fight. Again, I understand that this is not how the rules define the way a bout is to be scored. But in the third round, (as I recall it) you have to search for reasons to award 20% of the fight to either man and not the other. You can easily argue that either man gets it. I am fine with seeing the title stay with the champion if the fight is that close. In my mind, Reyes didn't win the belt, but he won the right for an immediate rematch that will be a bigger, more high-profile fight. Not everybody is going to agree with that, and that's fine.

49-46 Jones certainly is bullshit, though.

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Fuck me, Haggis, your posts make me howl with laughter so many times! :rofl
Fuck off. Your father probably thinks the same when he's searching for reasons to give a round to one guy or the other. If you watch 25 minutes of very evenly-matched fighting and the way you score it comes down to "in one round, one guy landed that one jab to the forehead that did no damage at all but it was close to the mics so it made a loud noise over the broadcast and the crowd in the bar went "ooooooo", and that's why a world title changes hands after a 25 minute fight", well good for you, but I don't like to see a world title change hands because of that. If you can argue the fight either way, then I am fine with the champ retaining. A very close fight - which this was - there IS NO objective reality for how it should be judged. One camera angle instead of the other camera angle that would have given a better angle of a single strike can be the difference between the viewer giving it to one guy or the other.

Was Reyes ever close to finishing Jones? No.

Did he even clearly hurt him at any point? No.

Did he clearly win 3 rounds out of 5? No.

Did he clearly lose 2 rounds out of 5? Yes.

Could you reasonably give the closest round to either man? Yes.

So I am fine with him not taking the belt home with him. EVEN THOUGH I personally had the fight 48-47 for him. Because the deciding round was close enough that it could easily go either way. Oh wow, what a retard. :patsch Go back to the lab and work on being a more boring and one-dimensional individual with no close friends, no social life, no hobbies, no loving partner and no life outside of your job. :thumbsup

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Fuck off. Your father probably thinks the same when he's searching for reasons to give a round to one guy or the other. If you watch 5 minutes of very evenly-matched fighting and the way you score it comes down to "one guy landed that one jab to the forehead that did no damage but it was close to the mics so it made a loud noise over the broadcast, and that's why a world title changes hands after a 25 minute fight", well good for you, but I don't like to see a world title change hands because of that. If you can argue the fight either way, then I am fine with the chap retaining. A very close fight - which this was - there IS NO objective reality for how it should be judged. One camera angle instead of the other camera angle that would have given a better angle of a single strike can be the difference between the viewer giving it to one guy or the other.

Was Reyes ever close to finishing Jones? No.

Did he even clearly hurt him at any point? No.

Did he clearly win 3 rounds out of 5? No.

So I am fine with him not taking the belt home with him. EVEN THOUGH I personally had the fight 48-47 for him. Because the deciding round was close enough that it could easily go either way. Oh wow, what a retard. :patsch Go back to the lab and work on being a more boring and one-dimensional individual with no close friends, no social life, no hobbies, no loving partner and no life outside of your job. :thumbsup

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I'm not reading all that, but just how you worded it. Don't score a fight until you get into sudden quadruple death hang-time overtime :rofl. Just, you post this shit with such serious demeanor that makes me howl with laughter.
 
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I'm not reading all that, but just how you worded it. Don't score a fight until you get into sudden quadruple death hang-time overtime:rofl. Just, you post this shit with such serious demeanor that makes me howl with laughter.
He wont address the fact that he is suggesting scoring the winner on a round that never happened :lol:

Silly claims like a different camera angles for a single punch will swing a FIVE MINUTE round is a belter as well :lol:
 
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Haggis

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I'm not reading all that, but just how you worded it. Don't score a fight until you get into sudden quadruple death hang-time overtime:rofl. Just, you post this shit with such serious demeanor that makes me howl with laughter.
Yeah that's what I said. :patsch

Didn't read what I wrote, just made up shit in your head and reacted to that instead. Good work. :thumbsup

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He wont address the fact that he is suggesting scoring the winner on a round that never happened :lol:

Silly claims like a different camera angles for a single punch will swing a FIVE MINUTE round is a belter as well :lol:
Did you have Reyes winning three rounds clearly, with no room to realistically argue any of them for Jones?

Bet you didn't.

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