***UFC!*** The Authentic Official Israel "The Last Stylebender" Adesanya Undefeated, Undisputed Middleweight Champion / General MMA Thread

Who do you WANT to win? (Not who do you think WILL win)

  • I want the Fighting Irish to win

  • I want the 209 to represent again

  • I just want a good, action-packed fight like the last one

  • Test to see if I can change the poll?

  • Are these options 4 and 5?


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I never really understood people banging on about ‘Big John’ being such a good ref, I saw him fuck up a few times and nobody mentioned it because he was supposedly the best ref. Then he retired and Herb Dean took the exact same role for some reason.

It’s a tough job but I don’t think Herb’s the best ref at all.
Yea, I think they've just been around so long, reffed enough great fights that the assumptions are just kind of made. I guess the only thing I would say is that I have no idea who is the best ref. The best ref would pretty much go totally unnoticed
 

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Yea, I think they've just been around so long, rented enough great fights that the assumptions are just kind of made. I guess the only thing I would say is that I have no idea who is the best ref. The best ref would pretty much go totally unnoticed
Yeah the whole point of a great ref is that he lets the fight play out without reminding you of his presence.

One criticism I do have of Herb though, and it doesn't apply just to him - but I can't remember the last time I saw him take a point from somebody. Hand out 3 warnings to a fighter for doing the same shit, sure. But I don't remember him docking many points, which I am all for. If I reffed one of his fights, Jon Jones would have a hard time making it out of the first round without getting docked a point. I'm all for more point deductions and more 10-8 rounds.

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Yeah the whole point of a great ref is that he lets the fight play out without reminding you of his presence.

One criticism I do have of Herb though, and it doesn't apply just to him - but I can't remember the last time I saw him take a point from somebody. Hand out 3 warnings to a fighter for doing the same shit, sure. But I don't remember him docking many points, which I am all for. If I reffed one of his fights, Jon Jones would have a hard time making it out of the first round without getting docked a point. I'm all for more point deductions and more 10-8 rounds.

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I just think the whole judging system has got to go. More had to go into establishing a scoring system designed for MMA, and someone spending the money necessary for proper training of refs and judges within that system.
 
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I just think the whole judging system has got to go. More had to go into establishing a scoring system designed for MMA, and someone spending the money necessary for proper training of refs and judges within that system.
That may be, but what do you replace it with? Every system has its pros and cons. No system is going to get rid of obvious robberies.

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Dana says Khabib vs Gaethje is booked for October 24. Venue TBD.

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That's going to be such a weird fight to watch. Hard to know what is influencing the result that we get, especially if it is close, or Gaethje smashes it out of the park. Khabib seems like hes ready to be done with this, and is in a mindset where he wants to continue his dad's work within sports.
 
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That may be, but what do you replace it with? Every system has its pros and cons. No system is going to get rid of obvious robberies.

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Of course. No way to avoid that. But whatever system it is really needs to be more tailored for the amount of time, the types of attack, and the crazy nature of MMA fights. I still think One's system is better for the sport, right now.

Here's the reality though, MMA in the US could use a huge reset in terms of rules(knees on the ground, upkicks from guard with opponents knees down). We'll never see that. Could use a new scoring system, we will always see the 10-point must system here. So the best they can do is continue to dial in the scoring criteria.
 

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That's going to be such a weird fight to watch. Hard to know what is influencing the result that we get, especially if it is close, or Gaethje smashes it out of the park. Khabib seems like hes ready to be done with this, and is in a mindset where he wants to continue his dad's work within sports.
I'm going to put $100-300 on Justin by KO/TKO, depending on finances at the time.

* I like the style matchup he brings better than any other Khabib opponent

* Gaethje 2.0 was FAR more impressive and technical and methodical vs Ferguson than I ever expected out of him

* Khabib might have one foot out the door psychologically (or he might be ultra motivated to smash this guy for his dad, who the fuck knows :lol:)

* I don't see Gaethje winning 3 or more rounds over 25 minutes and not stopping him.

Who knows what will happen. I plan to just enjoy an incredible matchup, and hopefully profit by calling the first loss of an undefeated fighter's pro career. :thumbsup

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I'm going to put $100-300 on Justin by KO/TKO, depending on finances at the time.

* I like the style matchup he brings better than any other Khabib opponent

* Gaethje 2.0 was FAR more impressive and technical and methodical vs Ferguson than I ever expected out of him

* Khabib might have one foot out the door psychologically (or he might be ultra motivated to smash this guy for his dad, who the fuck knows :lol:)

* I don't see Gaethje winning 3 or more rounds over 25 minutes and not stopping him.

Who knows what will happen. I plan to just enjoy an incredible matchup, and hopefully profit by calling the first loss of an undefeated fighter's pro career. :thumbsup

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No arguments here.

I don't forsee a scenario where Khabib wins a series of rounds, and gets taken out late. For Khabib to win rounds, he generally has to smother you half to death and beat your ass. Justin has a gas tank now because he is able to conserve it through self control. That all goes out the window when it is between standing back up, and getting fuck pummeled.

I have no fucking idea what happens here. In the Tony fight we knew that Khabib was going to get him down, and he was either going to smesh that dude, or get something snapped. Tony wasn't taking it to some simple decision, neither was Khabib.

Justin... might be able to control distance and make Khabib look bad over the course of 5. He might knock him out. He might get wrecked. They might stalemate against the cage.

I have no fucking clue.
 
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MMA fans have short memories. How have you already forgotten the power of the smesh?
Kind of. In a way I always forget the power of the smesh. I gotta go back and watch his fight with Poirier again. He looked to have gotten another level up after the Conor fight. A bit more smooth, a bit better at dictating the distance, and the striking defense was phenomenal, though awkward as fuck to where people thought he got hurt. It was also wild seeing him Fedor hulk his way out of a beautiful guillotine by a legit BJJ BB, and end up in a better position doing so.
 
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i don't see khabib taking a fight he is not ready for.

not that that decides the result, but i wouldn't put £$£ down based on the idea he won't be ready.
Physically he'll be ready. He's been training the whole time. Mentally...his dad has always been there for everything. I think it might mess with him a bit. Or...it might make him go murder Justin. I havent the slightest idea.
 
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I don’t know about that bloke.
I’m no expert but I don’t think he is either.

first point disagree with is how he says 1 more round Till would have got him. Till had had his moments but IMO there wasn’t anything to show he would have taken Whittaker out in a round 6. Maybe he would have won it but I didn’t see anything that would lead me to think Till was only a few mins away from turning it around completely.

“He’s the biggest middleweight I’ve seen”... again I’m no expert but ol mate seems even more casual than me. As it is Paulo Costa is a bees dick taller (listed 6’1” to Till’s 6’0” from my quick search) and is certainly bigger built. I’d imagine there is plenty other massive middleweights like Costa if you looked through the history of it.

either way.
glad ol mate seems chuffed with the fight. Seems it turned him to a fan. That’s a good thing!

I was a staunch boxing supporter for a while but can definitely agree with ol mate that not much is going on in boxing so it’s leading me to the UFC. Also I’ll follow Till from now on too. I was cheering for Whittaker but I’ll be a Till fan as well from now on as well
 
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Ahh hahah was just watching a YouTube video of Adesenya VS Gastelum.

I’ve had a few beers tonight but was sitting here thinking “fuck me dead both these Blokes are fast as shit!!”

after the fight I realised I’d somehow watched it at 1.5X speed and the whole fight was done in like 15 mins hahah
 
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Moved on from watching a sped up Adesenya VS Gastelum and been watching Justin Gaethje highlights for a bit now.

dude is sound as fuck as. Seems like a fulla bloke.

think I still wanna see Khabib smesh and see the history of 29-0 being made. But after that I wanna se Gaethje VS McGregor.

Watching Gaethje kicking the piss out of people’s front leg is a thing of beauty
 
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Moved on from watching a sped up Adesenya VS Gastelum and been watching Justin Gaethje highlights for a bit now.

dude is sound as fuck as. Seems like a fulla bloke.

think I still wanna see Khabib smesh and see the history of 29-0 being made. But after that I wanna se Gaethje VS McGregor.

Watching Gaethje kicking the piss out of people’s front leg is a thing of beauty
Have you gone down a Fedor/PRIDE wormhole yet?