UK Politics: General Election - December 12th 2019

General Election 2019: Who would you vote for?


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apologies my man, didn't realise you were in the US.
Looking forward to doing business with you once we are free of our EU chains...
I see a non-EU UK as a nation that has the option of renewing the Special Relationship that we once had. I think a closer alliance could be of great benefit for both nations in a financial as well as geopolitical sense. We are natural allies, really, as we are the daughter country of yours, we share a language, and much of our culture and traditions here are direct descendents of those from the UK. No reason that we cannot have each other's backs. And we did win a couple of world wars together...
 

Clarence Worley

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this is where the Leave Alliance is desperately needed.

Sir Graham Brady is the Tory MP in my constituency and although I would love to vote Brexit Party he appears to be anti-EU so he will get my vote this time around...
I’m totally split. The Brexit party should not stand here. Assuming former UKIP voters went conservative they will a 7000 majority
 
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If you are free to make bilateral trade deals with non-EU nations such as the USA, your food prices should drop.
This is fanciful pipe dreams. Less than 4% of our food comes from the US, so unless you are now going to export all the vast amounts of food we get from the EU (which accounts for 30% of all the food we consume) it's literally impossible for this to be true.

Do you even grow and farm enough to have that immediate level of surplus that you can just allocate for export?

We import 12 million pounds worth of olives from Greece every year. US grown olives only account for 4% of US olive consumption, so just using this single product alone as an example indicates how baseless the idea of food across the board becoming cheaper in the UK is.

But of course Clarence has liked it because he's decided leaving will be beneficial and he's sticking to that line regardless, when even the people who campaigned for leave accept there will be hits and food prices will go up.
 

Clarence Worley

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This is fanciful pipe dreams. Less than 4% of our food comes from the US, so unless you are now going to export all the vast amounts of food we get from the EU (which accounts for 30% of all the food we consume) it's literally impossible for this to be true.

Do you even grow and farm enough to have that immediate level of surplus that you can just allocate for export?

We import 12 million pounds worth of olives from Greece every year. US grown olives only account for 4% of US olive consumption, so just using this single product alone as an example indicates how baseless the idea of food across the board becoming cheaper in the UK is.

But of course Clarence has liked it because he's decided leaving will be beneficial and he's sticking to that line regardless, when even the people who campaigned for leave accept there will be hits and food prices will go up.
Why on earth do you keep quoting current figures when the current situation is obviously bias towards the so called single market?

You think if you can’t measure something it’s no real?

Obviously the protectionism of the Eu impacts the figures that you want to then use to make a pro Eu argument
 
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Why on earth do you keep quoting current figures when the current situation is obviously bias towards the so called single market?

You think if you can’t measure something it’s no real?

Obviously the protectionism of the Eu impacts the figures that you want to then use to make a pro Eu argument
I'm quoting current figures as they are the only fucking figures that actually exist. :lol:

Why were you quoting make believe figures about "most of our food" coming from "outside the EU"? Yeah, we know why, because you haven't got a fucking clue but pontificate as if you're an expert on the topic.

I don't know what will happen in terms of food imports and how they will be spread out between other countries, and neither do you, but you just babble on like you do know and it will all be amazing, because you're biased as fuck and won't hear a negative word said about leaving.

Even though all the data from Boris et al and their own reports says prices will go up, no no Clarence on CHB knows this is not the case. :lol:

You've come into this thread claimed most food comes from outside the EU, been shown this is way off, had me provide two links, and then over the subsequent pages you've shared the links I already shared and somehow even managed to read one of them as saying the opposite of what it shows.

You've then nipped back in to tell me to stop using current figures when up until yesterday you didn't even have a rudimentary grasp of what current figures even were. You thought they showed most food was not from the EU. Now you know that's bollocks, suddenly you don't care about current figures. :lol:

You're fucking hilarious.
 

Clarence Worley

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I'm quoting current figures as they are the only fucking figures that actually exist. :lol:

Why were you quoting make believe figures about "most of our food" coming from "outside the EU"? Yeah, we know why, because you haven't got a fucking clue but pontificate as if you're an expert on the topic.

I don't know what will happen in terms of food imports and how they will be spread out between other countries, and neither do you, but you just babble on like you do know and it will all be amazing, because you're biased as fuck and won't hear a negative word said about leaving.

Even though all the data from Boris et al and their own reports says prices will go up, no no Clarence on CHB knows this is not the case. :lol:

You've come into this thread claimed most food comes from outside the EU, been shown this is way off, had me provide two links, and then over the subsequent pages you've shared the links I already shared and somehow even managed to read one of them as saying the opposite of what it shows.

You've then nipped back in to tell me to stop using current figures when up until yesterday you didn't even have a rudimentary grasp of what current figures even were. You thought they showed most food was not from the EU. Now you know that's bollocks, suddenly you don't care about current figures. :lol:

You're fucking hilarious.
Yeah but you are using them to refer to a situation that does not exist.

It’s absurd
 
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Yeah but you are using them to refer to a situation that does not exist.

It’s absurd
No, I'm using them to indicate what level of uptake will have to come from outside the EU and be tariff free in order for our food to be cheaper.

Notice that I'm not making cast iron predictions, because I don't know what will happen. It's an unknown quantity, but the people organising leave believe prices overall will rise.

If we don't know, but reports across the board predict a rise, and yesterday you didn't even know that most of our imported food came from the EU, don't you see how absurd it is for you to STILL be confidently saying "prices will go down"?

It's quite literally based on nothing. Not one shred of evidence or data, just you deciding "yeah that's what will happen".
 
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@Strike literally dragging @Clarence Worley to the woodshed on this one :lol:

Lovely little bit of mutual masturbation between the US and UK over the last page, but the reality is likely to be quite different. The vultures have already been circling for sometime - snapping up prime London property, and taking advantage of the weak pound to buy UK companies on the cheap. A vulnerable UK approaching a relatively booming economy 7/8 times its size to establish a bilateral trade deal will NOT end favourably for the UK ffs. That line of thinking is as fickle and ridiculous as the notion that Brexit itself would be a seamless transition with countries around the world bending over backwards to gain access to our domestic market.
 
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Enjoy getting dry bummed then?
I understand your concerns. You probably live a comfortable life now and don't want to rock the boat. I get it.
But, there are people out there that want to chase more than comfort and they are willing to take one step back in order to take 2 steps forward.
Don't be afraid.

If we leave with a no deal the EU will still want to do business with us as will the US.
Let the negotiations commence...
 
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Clarence Worley

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@Strike literally dragging @Clarence Worley to the woodshed on this one :lol:

Lovely little bit of mutual masturbation between the US and UK over the last page, but the reality is likely to be quite different. The vultures have already been circling for sometime - snapping up prime London property, and taking advantage of the weak pound to buy UK companies on the cheap. A vulnerable UK approaching a relatively booming economy 7/8 times its size to establish a bilateral trade deal will NOT end favourably for the UK ffs. That line of thinking is as fickle and ridiculous as the notion that Brexit itself would be a seamless transition with countries around the world bending over backwards to gain access to our domestic market.
In what sense? By admitting I’m right?
 

Clarence Worley

leaner than mandy...
Nov 19, 2018
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No, I'm using them to indicate what level of uptake will have to come from outside the EU and be tariff free in order for our food to be cheaper.

Notice that I'm not making cast iron predictions, because I don't know what will happen. It's an unknown quantity, but the people organising leave believe prices overall will rise.

If we don't know, but reports across the board predict a rise, and yesterday you didn't even know that most of our imported food came from the EU, don't you see how absurd it is for you to STILL be confidently saying "prices will go down"?

It's quite literally based on nothing. Not one shred of evidence or data, just you deciding "yeah that's what will happen".
Once again it’s not an embargo ffs
 

Jack

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I don't know what will happen in terms of food imports and how they will be spread out between other countries, and neither do you, but you just babble on like you do know and it will all be amazing, because you're biased as fuck and won't hear a negative word said about leaving.
This is what the whole conversation about leaving Europe actually boils down to. Whichever decision people support, there's no objective facts that anyone can point to as to which decision will be right in the long run, it all depends on how the negotiations will go and maybe it'll be a success or maybe it won't.

If we can negotiate good deals with America, Australia, Japan and the like, leaving will be a success. If we can't, then leaving will be a failure. For either side to come out with any confidence is ridiculous. We just don't know.

Getting that out of the way - which I think is all objective and factual - I've always thought the Leave side greatly underestimated the desire of the EU for us leaving to fail. We were never going to leave and then just enter negotiations without any interference, they're aways going to be a thorn in our side because they can't allow a precedence of leaving to succeed. If they did, the EU would fall within a decade, it'd crumble apart, therefore, when we enter negotiations with America or Japan, the EU is not going to want those nations to be favourable to us. If anyone thinks the EU is going to sit by whilst Japan says "lets open up 15 new car factories in Britain, creating 60,000 jobs" they're just delucional. We're not on a level playing field, we're going into these negotiations with a powerful, wealthy group of nations wanting us to suffer because their survival depends on it.