Undefeated fighter who shouldn't be undefeated (Past or Present)

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We know how important that undefeated record has become to some fighters and their promoters in the modern era of boxing but who do you think should not have retired with that 0 or which active fighter shouldn't have it today?

So simply put, who got a gift or gifts enabling their undefeated record to be preserved and who got robbed or hard done by in the process?
 
May 17, 2013
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Narrow down your criteria. If you look at BoxRec there are thousands of fighters who are undefeated by going 1-0-0 and quitting. You need to put a number on the amount of fights that the fighter has to have fought to qualify.
 
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Narrow down your criteria. If you look at BoxRec there are thousands of fighters who are undefeated by going 1-0-0 and quitting. You need to put a number on the amount of fights that the fighter has to have fought to qualify.
I'm not sure what you mean but maybe I wasn't clear what I mean too. I'm saying which undefeated fighter was only undefeated because they got a points decision they shouldn't have gotten along the way (long counts and other discrepancies welcomed too). So every undefeated fighter wouldn't be considered, like Devin Haney for example, I've never seen him in a fight I thought he should have lost so I wouldn't name him you with me?
 
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What I'm saying is pretty plain. Just as an example, in order to qualify for this debate, let's say the undefeated fighter has to have at least 30 bouts under his belt, not some guy who fought once or twice, never lost and quit the sport. If you include every fighter who has no losses on his/her record, the numbers are staggering.

Off the top of my head I can only think of 2 undefeated fighters by the time they retired and that being Marciano and Mayweather, although many fighters surpassed their total fight numbers before suffering their first defeat.
 
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What I'm saying is pretty plain. Just as an example, in order to qualify for this debate, let's say the undefeated fighter has to have at least 30 bouts under his belt, not some guy who fought once or twice, never lost and quit the sport. If you include every fighter who has no losses on his/her record, the numbers are staggering.

Off the top of my head I can only think of 2 undefeated fighters by the time they retired and that being Marciano and Mayweather, although many fighters surpassed their total fight numbers before suffering their first defeat.
I'm just interested to find out who comes to mind (without any need to look at boxrec or anywhere else) and I don't want to limit the options to retired fighters either, if someone can think of a fighter who is undefeated today and still active but can recall a pro fight they had earlier that they think they should have lost, I'd like to hear about it so fighters that are 1-0, 2-0 that nobody's heard of or seen fight shouldn't really come up, it's about what you can remember and saw for yourself, that's what I'm trying to uncover so hopefully that helps clear up the original question.

So like you mentioned Mayweather, I know many thought he lost to Castillo the first time so that's the kind of example I'm looking for and hopefully I'll hear about some others that I can discover and look into.
 

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You'd be hard-pressed to find a famous undefeated fighter who didn't have at least one debatable decision.

Ward had Kovalev I
Marciano had LaStarza I
Calzaghe had Reid
Mayweather had Castillo I and Maidana I
Ottke had quite a few
Jimmy Barry reportedly had a few
 
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You'd be hard-pressed to find a famous undefeated fighter who didn't have at least one debatable decision.

Ward had Kovalev I
Marciano had LaStarza I
Calzaghe had Reid
Mayweather had Castillo I and Maidana I
Ottke had quite a few
Jimmy Barry reportedly had a few
Ottke seems the most glaring in terms of the number of dodgy decisions, I haven't seen the Marciano fight so I'll see if I can dig it out, cheers. I wonder if ANYONE thinks Mayweather beat Castillo the first time though (aside from the judges), I'm yet to meet one, Broner also lost before he fought Maidana but he got the same golden scorecard as his then mentor
 

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... I haven't seen the Marciano fight so I'll see if I can dig it out, cheers.
I'm not aware of their first fight being filmed, just their rematch when Rocky stopped him.

The first fight was a razor thin SD, and a number of reports (like this one from the United Press) say there was at least some disagreement over it: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19500325&id=poMbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TU0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=3661,4020891&hl=en

"LaStarza had such an edge in the in-fighting that most of the boxing writers scored in favor of the New Yorker."
 
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This is the most complicated thread I've discovered so far. I mean in a time where you can think of any boxer from the past and thing okay now that player was undefeated I loved that and I would like to that to stay that way and that same legend player announces a come just to burst someone's ass to cool down their fucking ego. I don't know if I should be thrilled to say that or not.
Not unless you think someone should be undefeated if either they're dead or pee in their own pants.
 
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If he didn't lose to Mike Tyson, Eddie Davis would have been a strong argument againt Michael Spinks. Ricardo Lopez's first fight against Rosendo Alvarez comes into play.
 
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If he didn't lose to Mike Tyson, Eddie Davis would have been a strong argument againt Michael Spinks. Ricardo Lopez's first fight against Rosendo Alvarez comes into play.
From ringside, Steve Farhood had Michael Spinks the winner, but when he again later scored that match off the videotape, he had Eddie Davis winning.

Along with Marciano-La Starza I, Marciano-Lowry I at the Rhode Island Auditorium in October 1949 was also widely disputed by ringside reporters, and the UD in favor of Rocky was loudly booed by the 3,696 in attendance. Tiger Ted insisted till his death at age 90 in 2010 that he won their first match, although he never disputed that the Blockbuster cleanly won their rematch at the same venue in November 1950 with marked progress and improvement. (Marciano admitted that Lowry would have gone the distance 100 out of 100 times with Rocky. Despite 148 bouts, Lowry remained in perfect health all his life, an incredible active physical specimen even at age 90.)

Should Marciano have actually been 47-2?
 
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You'd be hard-pressed to find a famous undefeated fighter who didn't have at least one debatable decision.

Ward had Kovalev I
Marciano had LaStarza I
Calzaghe had Reid
Mayweather had Castillo I and Maidana I
Ottke had quite a few
Jimmy Barry reportedly had a few
I think Mayweather turned it up on Maidana on the 2nd half of the fight