Up to 70 Chinese and Indian soldiers dead in border clashes.

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Various articles all over the place.

Seems like 5 Chinese this morning.

20 Indians later on.
 
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Broxi

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Saw this this morning, they're doing well at keeping this pretty low key.

In other news, the North Koreas blew up the joint communications building that acts as neutral meeting point for the countries. This following recent escalation of threats from NK.
 

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"Twenty Indian soldiers including a Colonel were killed in a "violent face-off" on Monday night with Chinese troops at Galwan Valley in Ladakh, said government sources, in a massive escalation after weeks of tension at the border. India retaliated and there were casualties on both sides, said the army. India said the clashes happened "as a result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo there", rebutting China's claims that Indian soldiers cross the border. This is the first fatal clash since 1975 between India and China, who fought a border war in 1962. "

As many as 43 casualties on the Chinese side according to one report.


 
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There has been brawling between guards on the China-India border for a few months ,now,with injuries on both sides. Most people thought that it wouldn't escalate to actual shooting and killing.

India will have to de-escalate this as it is much weaker militarily and economically than the Chinese and doesn't want China to use all this as a justification to make deeper incursions into territory it claims as its own.


A little history:
China annexed the strategic plateau of Tibet in 1950.
12 years later, in 1962, India lost a border war with China and a chunk of its Kashmir territory in the north of the country ,in the Himalayas , on which China built National Highway 219 ,which until recently was the only transport link form mainland China to Tibet.
China over the decades has also supported India's rival in the region ,Pakistan, helped it with its nuclear programme,, and now is massively investing in Pakistan's infrastructure

12887




The territory of Kashmir in the north of India, that is disputed between India, China and Pakistan.


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Highway 219 passing through territory seized by China from India.


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The generals snd military planners in America ,on the other hand, must be licking their lips,as the possibility of the two great powers and potential rivals going at it.. They would really like to see India being brought into their sphere of influence,

Remember too that the American forces are in Afghanistan,next-door, and have been making sounds about the Chinese oppression of Uighur Muslims in south-west China recently and offering to mediate between India and China in Kashmir.



Some reading up on China's annexation of Tibet in 1950, the 1962 war between India and China and Highway 219.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_219
 
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There has been brawling between guards on the China-India border for a few months ,now,with injuries on both sides. Most people thought that it wouldn't escalate to actual shooting and killing.

India will have to de-escalate this as it is much weaker militarily and economically than the Chinese and doesn't want China to use all this as a justification to make deeper incursions into territory it claims as its own.


A little history:
China annexed the strategic plateau of Tibet in 1950.
12 years later, in 1962, India lost a border war with China and a chunk of its Kashmir territory in the north of the country ,in the Himalayas , on which China built National Highway 219 ,which until recently was the only transport link form mainland China to Tibet.
China over the decades has also supported India's rival in the region ,Pakistan, helped it with its nuclear programme,, and now is massively investing in Pakistan's infrastructure

View attachment 12887




The territory of Kashmir in the north of India, that is disputed between India, China and Pakistan.


View attachment 12890




Highway 219 passing through territory seized by China from India.


View attachment 12888





The generals snd military planners in America ,on the other hand, must be licking their lips,as the possibility of the two great powers and potential rivals going at it.. They would really like to see India being brought into their sphere of influence,

Remember too that the American forces are in Afghanistan,next-door, and have been making sounds about the Chinese oppression of Uighur Muslims in south-west China recently and offering to mediate between India and China in Kashmir.



Some reading up on China's annexation of Tibet in 1950, the 1962 war between India and China and Highway 219.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_219
This could set of a global recession.
 
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There has been brawling between guards on the China-India border for a few months ,now,with injuries on both sides. Most people thought that it wouldn't escalate to actual shooting and killing.

India will have to de-escalate this as it is much weaker militarily and economically than the Chinese and doesn't want China to use all this as a justification to make deeper incursions into territory it claims as its own.


A little history:
China annexed the strategic plateau of Tibet in 1950.
12 years later, in 1962, India lost a border war with China and a chunk of its Kashmir territory in the north of the country ,in the Himalayas , on which China built National Highway 219 ,which until recently was the only transport link form mainland China to Tibet.
China over the decades has also supported India's rival in the region ,Pakistan, helped it with its nuclear programme,, and now is massively investing in Pakistan's infrastructure

View attachment 12887




The territory of Kashmir in the north of India, that is disputed between India, China and Pakistan.


View attachment 12890




Highway 219 passing through territory seized by China from India.


View attachment 12888





The generals snd military planners in America ,on the other hand, must be licking their lips,as the possibility of the two great powers and potential rivals going at it.. They would really like to see India being brought into their sphere of influence,

Remember too that the American forces are in Afghanistan,next-door, and have been making sounds about the Chinese oppression of Uighur Muslims in south-west China recently and offering to mediate between India and China in Kashmir.



Some reading up on China's annexation of Tibet in 1950, the 1962 war between India and China and Highway 219.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_219
Neither side want a war but China is the country banking on the other not wanting a war moreso than them. And in backing down it also makes China seem stronger.

Many mind games afoot here.
 
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There has been brawling between guards on the China-India border for a few months ,now,with injuries on both sides. Most people thought that it wouldn't escalate to actual shooting and killing.

India will have to de-escalate this as it is much weaker militarily and economically than the Chinese and doesn't want China to use all this as a justification to make deeper incursions into territory it claims as its own.


A little history:
China annexed the strategic plateau of Tibet in 1950.
12 years later, in 1962, India lost a border war with China and a chunk of its Kashmir territory in the north of the country ,in the Himalayas , on which China built National Highway 219 ,which until recently was the only transport link form mainland China to Tibet.
China over the decades has also supported India's rival in the region ,Pakistan, helped it with its nuclear programme,, and now is massively investing in Pakistan's infrastructure

View attachment 12887




The territory of Kashmir in the north of India, that is disputed between India, China and Pakistan.


View attachment 12890




Highway 219 passing through territory seized by China from India.


View attachment 12888





The generals snd military planners in America ,on the other hand, must be licking their lips,as the possibility of the two great powers and potential rivals going at it.. They would really like to see India being brought into their sphere of influence,

Remember too that the American forces are in Afghanistan,next-door, and have been making sounds about the Chinese oppression of Uighur Muslims in south-west China recently and offering to mediate between India and China in Kashmir.



Some reading up on China's annexation of Tibet in 1950, the 1962 war between India and China and Highway 219.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_219
Licking their lips? More like shitting their pants.

Kashmir is a powder keg. All nuclear weapons states involved, except the Kashmiris, all of which I spoke to when I was there wanted independence.

China just want more and more of Ladakh. The Himalayas to them dont seem a natural border and they keep wanting to extend it. India has always kept that region heavily militarised and will be up for defending it. They are very insecure and protective of Kashmir.
 
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India will have to de-escalate this as it is much weaker militarily and economically than the Chinese and doesn't want China to use all this as a justification to make deeper incursions into territory it claims as its own.

Weaker on paper.

However, India has more recent battle experience if it comes to a conventional ground war.
Last time China tried an incursion, it was into the much smaller and 'weaker on paper' Vietnam. That didn't work out so well for them.

And China doesn't want things to go nuclear...they have too much to lose.

I expect the Chinese will be the ones to de-escalate here.
 
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Weaker on paper.

However, India has more recent battle experience if it comes to a conventional ground war.
Last time China tried an incursion, it was into the much smaller and 'weaker on paper' Vietnam. That didn't work out so well for them.

And China doesn't want things to go nuclear...they have too much to lose.

I expect the Chinese will be the ones to de-escalate here.
Don't think you can really use a war in the 70's as a comparison to the modern day military might of China. Where China have the biggest advantage in their superior air force over India, which I think would be crucial given the landscape of that region.

I doubt either side really wants the conflict to escalate China as you say don't usually go around invading countries or starting conflicts so their forces are inexperienced and India clearly won't have forgotten how badly they were beaten when they last had a war with China which ended in a humiliating defeat for them and so won't risk repeating that. Especially with Pakistan waiting on their border looking for any weakness and with China having been a big backer of Pakistan helping them to become a nuclear power to specifically destablise India, if a full blown conflict happens I expect India to have a war on 2 fronts as both China and Pakistan work together to carve up India.

This is all kicking off apparently due to India building a road and bridge in the Ladakh region which China sees as a threat as it would allow India to move troops into the area quickly. So far India are not bowing to pressure to stop building this. Hopefully China is just flexing showing it recognises the threat and will likely respond by building more infrastructure on their side as a response to India's move and that this isn't a concerted effort of them to stop India from building this road and bridge.
 
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That's really freaky, just last night I couldn't decide whether to have a Chinese or an Indian.

Went for a Chicken Madras in the end.