Up to 70 Chinese and Indian soldiers dead in border clashes.

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There's already much talk about countries relying on China less and less. Pissing everyone off probably isnt going to improve that
 
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There's already much talk about countries relying on China less and less. Pissing everyone off probably isnt going to improve that
True and China would probably we worried about that if the people in these countries or the governments had any genuine power, unfortunately that isn't the case.

China has done a lot of awful shit for years and the world turns a blind eye as market forces dictate that we look the other way and keep doing business with them. Look at what had been happening with Hong Kong last year, yeah some people supported Hong Kong a few countries governments even condemned China but they didn't stop doing business with China.

As long as it in the interest for businesses to keep working with China these corporations will continue to do so and support politicians in countries that share their world view. The news cycle will change and we will forget what China has done as we are outraged by the next thing that the media or governments use to distract us from how bad things have gotten.
 
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@Brighton Bomber, this maybe a bit of topic but with regards to your post on HK. To be honestly at least where I am, and as sad as it is, we don't have much choice here with regards to import export. I'm not Australian but live here but as the CCP in recent has flexed most of it's power through economic means. Australia and to a lesser extent NZ, really has for how they'll tackle democracies (in what they hope) the coming decades. Bear in mind Trumps presidency for them has yielded stronger geopolitical results.

On a side note, A few nights ago, there was wide cyberattack on both state and private entities. The PM has not named the perps. But officials from intelligence to law enforcement have already made statements that it's looking to be the work of operators in China.. Remains to be seen.
 
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There's already much talk about countries relying on China less and less. Pissing everyone off probably isn't going to improve that
The previous company I worked for (now a competitor ) is a multinational but still very Japanese dominated at the top. After local plants closed in my country, they were already in the process of building plants in places such as Thailand, Indonesia. This was a decade ago, the word was, production and labour for them were already more attractive than the Chinese plants, infrastructure which were comparatively more established. By the time I started our inoirts on non premium product and some midrange ones, were already coming via these countries.

Also, the flux in fuel even prior to 2020 at times saw profits drop from imports via China for some industries(id have to check and reread.

But obviously, China still is King on output by numbers right now.

I work for a sub-company owned by a larger American Corp based in the US. Our supply lines from China have been steady, and so far we her some premium stuff from the Indian plants (industrial and Ag) so thankfully it's been steady although Mumbai looks dire with its spread right now.
 
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I want to mention how fractious China really as it's a key part, as well as a history on how fractious it really can be. But will save tomorrow
 
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True and China would probably we worried about that if the people in these countries or the governments had any genuine power, unfortunately that isn't the case.

China has done a lot of awful shit for years and the world turns a blind eye as market forces dictate that we look the other way and keep doing business with them. Look at what had been happening with Hong Kong last year, yeah some people supported Hong Kong a few countries governments even condemned China but they didn't stop doing business with China.

As long as it in the interest for businesses to keep working with China these corporations will continue to do so and support politicians in countries that share their world view. The news cycle will change and we will forget what China has done as we are outraged by the next thing that the media or governments use to distract us from how bad things have gotten.
The whygurs didn't get the coverage it should, however. I do believe HK shook people up enough, as that what seemed to be a taste of what to come to others in the future. Although hasn't it been moire politically stable since? I know local l reps won big as opposed to the CCP backed candidates.
 
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That along with the history of conflict between India and Pakistan and China's aid to Pakistan in the form of building infrastructure and helping them develop nuclear weapons, I'd think Pakistan more likely siding with China. Not every country sees China like the west does as there isn't the history of conflict or political differences, it's easy to forget that as we tend to look at the world from only our own perspective.
It's more like the USA and China choosing their "friends",rather than the other way round. Pakistan because of its location has always been vital to the strategic interests of both countries.

The détente between US and China essentially came about ,because both had to join forces to preserve Pakistan (or rather West Pakistan) ,after it became clear that Pakistan was going to be badly beaten in its 1971 war with India.

China was given permanent membership of security council ,with US support, in September 1971,taking the seat formerly occupied by Taiwan .
Pakistan surrendered to India in December 1971 and the eastern wing of Pakistan broke away to form Bangladesh.

"The PRC also replaced Taiwan (Republic of China) as a permanent member of UN Security Council in 1971.
Its first veto was used to support Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.
In the early years of Bangladesh's independence, Dhaka was also close to the Soviet Union, which was a rival of China following the Sino-Soviet split.
Despite the support of most countries in the world, Bangladesh's UN membership was vetoed by China until 1974. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh–China_relations




Looking at the political map ,it will be clear why a violation of Pakistan's territorial integrity would've been a strategic red line fot both the US and China

America didn't want Soviet forces reaching the Arabian Sea and so threatening the global supply of gas and oil in the Middle East.

China didn't want the Soviet and Indian armies linking up and threatening its soft underbelly , the Tibetan Plateau,from which the headwaters of major rivers in Pakistan ,Northern India, South-East Asia and China flow.

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People say that detente with China was a creative masterstroke from Nixon ,but if you actually check , it was more desperate and crude geopolitical play ,that threw the two countries in a fateful embrace ,that has lasted for nearly 50 years ,now.

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It's worth asking ,now that the USSR no longer exists and Pakistan has fallen further into the Chinese camp what this means for US policy in Pakistan and the countries neighbouring it in the region (leaving aside the rather important matter of China's economic and military rise)?
 
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Account of the glorious battle from that world-famous Indian newspaper of record , The Deccan Chronicle.

Wonder if Indian squaddies ,during their neck-breaking reign of terror, also punched a few Chinese noses into their brains , ala Iron MIke circa '86 .

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Account of the battle from that world-famous Indian newspaper of record ,: The Deccan Chronicle.

Wonder if Indian soldiers ,during their neck-breaking reign of terror, also punched a few Chinese noses into their brains , ala Iron MIke circa '86 .

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We got fucking battered.
 
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India buys arms from China (my advice is to keep the receipts).
They've gone to others. The Israelis have sold them a fair amount along with providing elite training operators and advisors in recent years. And of course they source some stock from the US.
 
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Account of the glorious battle from that world-famous Indian newspaper of record , The Deccan Chronicle.

Wonder if Indian squaddies ,during their neck-breaking reign of terror, also punched a few Chinese noses into their brains , ala Iron MIke circa '86 .

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Can't wait for the Bollywood movie of this. I can just imagine it now and they sing and dance there way into the Galwan valley on a mission to avenge their fallen CO.
 
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If that's the standard of their military I say let's invade China and India lol, I've seen better fights outside pubs.
Well Chinese martial arts have been exposed for a while now vs mma. Highly doubt their military close combat training differs much from traditional Chinese martial arts. Their weaponry remains to be truly tested though...