US Presidential Election - November 3rd 2020

Who wins?

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Johnstown

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Jack said:
Even if there isn't a shred of evidence provided, the fact that it's being alleged is newsworthy in it itself, so the lack of reporting on this is really unusual. The people who just dismiss it as "oh, well, it's not true so why report it?" are making a strange argument because the lack of truth doesn't mean a story isn't relevant, it's a massively important allegation therefore it's news, whether it ends up being true or not. Every news network reported Trump called dead soldiers "losers", even though there was never any proof in that story at all, and they reported it as if it were true, yet now we have a far more significant story that just gets brushed under the carpet?

The second part of all of this is that we still haven't seen the evidence yet. Nobody has seen it to say "this is true" and nobody has seen it to say "this is nonsense", so why is the constant angle that it's already been debunked? It hasn't. The media are not saying "there are allegations but nothing has been proven yet" or holding back on their judgment, they're outright dismissing it without any evidence. We all agree that it'd be foolish of anyone to say that they believe the accusations without proof and yet dismissing them without proof is somehow right?

I've said all along that I don't think there'll be widespread fraud in this case but this post isn't about that (even though it's what some people will think it is), it's about the way the media are acting. They're not doing their duty, they're actively trying to bury a story that has relevance. This is like ignoring a failed drugs test before the 100m final, just because you know the guy can't win the race; you still have a duty for the integrity of the race to highlight the cheat. By ignoring Trump's accusations, the media are letting down the public but it's a strange move because the only person it hurts if/when it all comes out as being baseless (which I think it will) is Trump, so that leads to the very obvious question of...why?

No matter what side people are on, there's a lot about this election which should raise concerns. From Big Tech to the media to the political establishment...it's been very dirty and it's not good to set those precedents.
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It would be a massive story if it was anyone other than Trump.

With Trump it’s just a continuation of his Presidency - that is the often incoherent ramblings of a highly egotistical, simpleton, with a track record of lying that is unmatched in western politics.

It’s the old boy that cried wolf, except in this case there’s still no wolf at the door, just a press that are largely tired of pandering to his insanity.

Tbh, I’m surprised any reasonable individual can’t see it for the unsubstantiated nonsense that it is, but it’s a very good demonstration of how an individuals political leanings can interfere with their own logical reasoning ability if they’re entrenched enough.
 
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Jack

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Khaiser said:
It would be a massive story if it was anyone other than Trump.

With Trump it’s just a continuation of his Presidency - that is the often incoherent ramblings of a highly egotistical, simpleton, with a track record of lying that is unmatched in western politics.

It’s the old boy that cried wolf, except in this case there’s still no wolf at the door, just a press that are largely tired of pandering to his insanity.

Tbh, I’m surprised any reasonable individual can’t see it for the unsubstantiated nonsense that it is, but it’s a very good demonstration of how an individuals political leanings can interfere with their own logical reasoning ability if they’re entrenched enough.
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Again though, this line of reasoning does not add up. The truth of the allegations is a seperate issue and the fact that the current US President is accusing widespread fraud is the story within itself. Of course it should be a massive story, even if the reporting is entirely about how these are spurious claims with little evidence.

Nobody believes that the press have grown tired of Trump and because they're so tired of his lies, they're suddenly deciding not to report on him. If there was a rumour started tomorrow that Melania had cheated on Trump, without any evidence, would the media ignore that? No, of course they wouldn't, it'd be headline news on every network because it fits the agenda even if it was a complete fabrication.
 
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Haggis

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Jack said:
Nobody believes that the press have grown tired of Trump and because they're so tired of his lies, they're suddenly deciding not to report on him.
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Jack, this is actually pretty close to what's happening.

He lost the election. He's gone in a couple of months.

Journalists are educated people who know this man much better than you do. They are sick of the circus. These claims of his are wild rantings that have no basis in fact, and are actively dangerous to American democracy because of the sheer gullibility of his personality cult. They don't want to amplify this shit, because they don't need to any more. They just have to run out the clock for another two weeks. Why make the biggest story 24/7 a bunch of stupid outright lies with no basis in reality, ranted by a spoiled, ignorant clown for the purposes of inciting civil unrest and destroying American democracy?

:hat
 
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SwollenGoat

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Jack said:
The reporting on this story is so strange. The lack of coverage should draw question marks in itself because whether people think the story is 100% bullshit or not, it's still a massive story to have the active President accuse his own country of widespread fraud. Even if there isn't a shred of evidence provided, the fact that it's being alleged is newsworthy in it itself, so the lack of reporting on this is really unusual. The people who just dismiss it as "oh, well, it's not true so why report it?" are making a strange argument because the lack of truth doesn't mean a story isn't relevant, it's a massively important allegation therefore it's news, whether it ends up being true or not. Every news network reported Trump called dead soldiers "losers", even though there was never any proof in that story at all, and they reported it as if it were true, yet now we have a far more significant story that just gets brushed under the carpet?

The second part of all of this is that we still haven't seen the evidence yet. Nobody has seen it to say "this is true" and nobody has seen it to say "this is nonsense", so why is the constant angle that it's already been debunked? It hasn't. The media are not saying "there are allegations but nothing has been proven yet" or holding back on their judgment, they're outright dismissing it without any evidence. We all agree that it'd be foolish of anyone to say that they believe the accusations without proof and yet dismissing them without proof is somehow right?

I've said all along that I don't think there'll be widespread fraud in this case but this post isn't about that (even though it's what some people will think it is), it's about the way the media are acting. They're not doing their duty, they're actively trying to bury a story that has relevance. This is like ignoring a failed drugs test before the 100m final, just because you know the guy can't win the race; you still have a duty for the integrity of the race to highlight the cheat. By ignoring Trump's accusations, the media are letting down the public but it's a strange move because the only person it hurts if/when it all comes out as being baseless (which I think it will) is Trump, so that leads to the very obvious question of...why?

No matter what side people are on, there's a lot about this election which should raise concerns. From Big Tech to the media to the political establishment...it's been very dirty and it's not good to set those precedents.
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'lack of reporting' :rofl


jesus fuck JACK,you cant be real

its ALL thats in the fucking news

we know the names of random election officials in counties in states weve never fucking been to because odf this shit......................its 24/7 wall to wall nonstop fucking coverage right down to the batshit insane conspiracy theory press conferance rudy held yesterday.......................BROADCAST IN FULL across the networks and their internet outlets

you have to be fake :rofl


'lack of coverage' :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl


holy fuck,Im DYIN :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl


and that tard @Joe E LIKED that wall of text about how the 24/7 coverage of every random aspect of this shitshow is really no coverage because WTF?

I cant take it :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
 
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Clarence Worley

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Didn’t see anything about trump on uk media yesterday ... this morning it’s all about Rudys hair dye

goat has no actual connection to reality
 
wesshaw1985

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Journalists are educated people who know this man much better than you do. They are sick of the circus.
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:rofl

Possibly the most idiotic or dishonest comment i've ever read on here.
The Left will say anything at this point.

Trump = Ratings.
Everyone knows this...
 
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Jack said:
Again though, this line of reasoning does not add up. The truth of the allegations is a seperate issue and the fact that the current US President is accusing widespread fraud is the story within itself. Of course it should be a massive story, even if the reporting is entirely about how these are spurious claims with little evidence.

Nobody believes that the press have grown tired of Trump and because they're so tired of his lies, they're suddenly deciding not to report on him. If there was a rumour started tomorrow that Melania had cheated on Trump, without any evidence, would the media ignore that? No, of course they wouldn't, it'd be headline news on every network because it fits the agenda even if it was a complete fabrication.
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That isn’t the line of reasoning I’ve suggested though. I agree that the truth of the allegations, or blatant lack thereof, is a separate issue to the allegations being made themselves.

I disagree with the idea that it hasn’t been a massive story. It’s dominated news headlines since the election with numerous press sources commenting on every tweet, while highlighting that his claims are entirely unsubstantiated. What more would you expect exactly? You’ve got the ramblings of a madman who has been very shy in recent weeks (other than on Twitter), a press that can clearly see his claims lack any sort of substance, and a public dealing with the fallout of his ‘attempt’ to combat Covid-19. You’ll have to excuse them for losing a bit of interest.

Ultimately no story can keep mainstream attention on noise alone - at some point there has to be something more substantive than empty words for the press to report on - or at least for people to that interested in the press reporting on it.

And of course Melania cheating on Trump would be much bigger news, but it wouldn’t be if she had for example, spent the last 4 years publicly cuckolding him. Trump tweeting unsubstantiated nonsense is failing to still garner as much attention as you believe it deserves because he’s spent the last 4 years doing just that.
 
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Werety

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Jack said:
Again though, this line of reasoning does not add up. The truth of the allegations is a seperate issue and the fact that the current US President is accusing widespread fraud is the story within itself. Of course it should be a massive story, even if the reporting is entirely about how these are spurious claims with little evidence.

Nobody believes that the press have grown tired of Trump and because they're so tired of his lies, they're suddenly deciding not to report on him. If there was a rumour started tomorrow that Melania had cheated on Trump, without any evidence, would the media ignore that? No, of course they wouldn't, it'd be headline news on every network because it fits the agenda even if it was a complete fabrication.
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Ummmmmmmm but it is a massive story??? It’s literally been all over the news???? What exactly makes you think the media is ignoring it?
 
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