US Presidential Election - November 3rd 2020

Who wins?


  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
17,576
7,768
New York City

What an awful, disgusting cunt that woman is. Vile.

The only reason that Americans are going to suffer is because she doesn't want Trump to have that credit going into an election. Think about how disgraceful that is, that people suffering with bills, paying for food, for heating etc. will now have to suffer even more because she won't approve something that makes Trump look good. She's a contemptible woman.

I said this in another thread but this election is only close because it's Trump and he's an obnoxious, divisive buffoon that people hate. Nobody is voting for the Democrats or Biden, they're voting against Trump. The mask has slipped and whilst the Republicans may still win with Trump, the next election with someone remotely decent as their leader will be a landslide.
Nevermind the fact that Democratic stimulus bills have been sitting on the desk of Mitch McConnell since early September, right Jack? Trump told you last night that it's been hele up because it offered too much assistance to blue states. Can you imagine that? You not knowing what the hell you're talking about, I mean. What were the odds?
 

Jack

P4P Star
Jul 29, 2012
9,702
4,358
Nevermind the fact that Democratic stimulus bills have been sitting on the desk of Mitch McConnell since early September, right Jack? Trump told you last night that it's been hele up because it offered too much assistance to blue states. Can you imagine that? You not knowing what the hell you're talking about, I mean. What were the odds?
I'm fully aware of that. The Democrats are making unreasonable demands, nothing to do with helping people, and when the Republicans say "no", the Democrats can say that they're doing their best. It's such a ridiculous tactic. If the roles were reversed, Biden was president and the Republicans were demanding that abortion be made illegal or they won't approve support, would this also be acceptable? Of course not.

The HEROES Act doesn't stop at supporting people and businesses, it goes into influencing the election results, and much more. It has so much in there that is irrelevant to the fight against Covid and support for Americans, so why should the Republicans go along with this? They shouldn't. They're giving the Republicans two options: 1, to accept a ridiculous offer or 2, to reject, and be portrayed as the bad guys. Only the gullible would think that its a fair counter offer.
 
Aug 18, 2013
3,853
2,458
Nevermind the fact that Democratic stimulus bills have been sitting on the desk of Mitch McConnell since early September, right Jack? Trump told you last night that it's been hele up because it offered too much assistance to blue states. Can you imagine that? You not knowing what the hell you're talking about, I mean. What were the odds?
Sorry Stevie but Pelosi is the one holding this up.
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
17,576
7,768
New York City
I'm fully aware of that. The Democrats are making unreasonable demands, nothing to do with helping people, and when the Republicans say "no", the Democrats can say that they're doing their best. It's such a ridiculous tactic. If the roles were reversed, Biden was president and the Republicans were demanding that abortion be made illegal or they won't approve support, would this also be acceptable? Of course not.

The HEROES Act doesn't stop at supporting people and businesses, it goes into influencing the election results, and much more. It has so much in there that is irrelevant to the fight against Covid and support for Americans, so why should the Republicans go along with this? They shouldn't. They're giving the Republicans two options: 1, to accept a ridiculous offer or 2, to reject, and be portrayed as the bad guys. Only the gullible would think that its a fair counter offer.
What unreasonable demands are the Democrats making, Jack? Are they any less reasonable then billionaires increasing their wealth by nearly half a trillion dollars, as they did during the last "stimulus"?
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
17,576
7,768
New York City
Sorry Stevie but stimulus money needs to go to the people. Let us know when Nancy stops trying to use the money for other bullshit.
Yes, the money needs to go to the PEOPLE... not billionaires who don't need it. Yet Donald Trump told you that it's been held up since September 1st because it helps too many poor people in blue states.

Next.
 
Aug 18, 2013
3,853
2,458
Yes, the money needs to go to the PEOPLE... not billionaires who don't need it. Yet Donald Trump told you that it's been held up since September 1st because it helps too many poor people in blue states.

Next.
The money needs to go to the people of those blue states directly not to the actual state.

Thanks for playing Stevie.
 

Jack

P4P Star
Jul 29, 2012
9,702
4,358
What unreasonable demands are the Democrats making, Jack? Are they any less reasonable then billionaires increasing their wealth by nearly half a trillion dollars, as they did during the last "stimulus"?
Changes to the ballot system, for example, is completely separate to the pandemic. Why should the pandemic be used to usher in ballot harvesting?

Secondly, the Democrats were more than happy to give money to billionaires. They care more about them than the people, just listen to Jimmy Dore on that.
 
Reactions: Touche

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
17,576
7,768
New York City
Changes to the ballot system, for example, is completely separate to the pandemic. Why should the pandemic be used to usher in ballot harvesting?

Secondly, the Democrats were more than happy to give money to billionaires. They care more about them than the people, just listen to Jimmy Dore on that.
And isn't it funny how allowing people the right to vote is called "ballot harvesting"? It's almost as if the Republicans have a vested interest in keeping certain people impoverished and less likely to vote.

Jimmy Dore is an asshole. The Republicans already told you in the beginning that they were only interested in a one-time stimulus. The Democrats were the ones asking for more money and a continuance of those payments until the country was no longer in economic lockdown. By holding up the next round of checks, the Republicans succeeded in their primary intent... $1200, spread over how many months now? Ridiculous. Donald Trump can stand right up there and tell you who held it up, and it's somehow still Pelosi's fault.

It's just programmed "thinking" disguised as objectivity.
 

Jack

P4P Star
Jul 29, 2012
9,702
4,358
And isn't it funny how allowing people the right to vote is called "ballot harvesting"? It's almost as if the Republicans have a vested interest in keeping certain people impoverished and less likely to vote.
The legitimacy about those changes is not the point. The point is that the Democrats twisted the bill from being something about supporting businesses and citizens, into something which had much bigger consequences with the sole intention of ensuring that Trump would be seen as the bad guy who didn't help people out. In reality, it's the Democrats who are ensuring that people don't receive much needed money and you're ok with that.
 
Reactions: Touche and Mexi-Box
Aug 2, 2013
12,358
6,832
The legitimacy about those changes is not the point. The point is that the Democrats twisted the bill from being something about supporting businesses and citizens, into something which had much bigger consequences with the sole intention of ensuring that Trump would be seen as the bad guy who didn't help people out. In reality, it's the Democrats who are ensuring that people don't receive much needed money and you're ok with that.
It's not the fault of the democrats but actually, to be fair, this one is not on Trump either. It's really the fault of Mitch McConnell and the senate republicans. Their ideology is holding them back. Keep in mind, the only reason why there was a stimulus the last time was because the senate republicans knew they were getting money to their big business cohorts so it was worth the "sacrifice" to them in giving extra unemployment money and the $1,200 checks. Trump actually, to be fair, in a good way does not give a fuck about spending more money, he really isn't that ideological on spending money on government programs and is more focused on winning reelection while the senate republicans are the ones fucking around.
 

Johnstown

Dominant Poster
Jun 4, 2013
25,144
8,250
It's not the fault of the democrats but actually, to be fair, this one is not on Trump either. It's really the fault of Mitch McConnell and the senate republicans. Their ideology is holding them back. Keep in mind, the only reason why there was a stimulus the last time was because the senate republicans knew they were getting money to their big business cohorts so it was worth the "sacrifice" to them in giving extra unemployment money and the $1,200 checks. Trump actually, to be fair, in a good way does not give a fuck about spending more money, he really isn't that ideological on spending money on government programs and is more focused on winning reelection while the senate republicans are the ones fucking around.
Which tells you Trump isn't actually in charge of his party.

He's weak.
 
Reactions: Leftsmash
Aug 2, 2013
12,358
6,832
Which tells you Trump isn't actually in charge of his party.

He's weak.
Well he's weak in the sense that congressional republicans are starting to see the writing on the wall in the fact that he's probably going to lose. These assholes are moving the chess pieces in to position so they can fuck with Biden the same way they fucked with Obama early on when he tried to pass stimulus.

Also, these people are really on that Ayn Rand shit. This republican party is more for the rich than any republican party since the new deal era. That's why they must be defeated handily this time around and in the 2022 midterms should Biden win this year. If Biden wins, the democrats can't suffer the same fate as Clinton in 1994 and Obama in 2010.
 

Jack

P4P Star
Jul 29, 2012
9,702
4,358
It's not the fault of the democrats but actually, to be fair, this one is not on Trump either. It's really the fault of Mitch McConnell and the senate republicans. Their ideology is holding them back. Keep in mind, the only reason why there was a stimulus the last time was because the senate republicans knew they were getting money to their big business cohorts so it was worth the "sacrifice" to them in giving extra unemployment money and the $1,200 checks. Trump actually, to be fair, in a good way does not give a fuck about spending more money, he really isn't that ideological on spending money on government programs and is more focused on winning reelection while the senate republicans are the ones fucking around.
There are obvious issues, the constant battling doesn't help the civilians at all and both sides are responsible for that, but surely you'd have to admit that the HEROES Act is full of things which have nothing to do with Covid relief?
 
Reactions: Bachafach^^^

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
17,576
7,768
New York City
The legitimacy about those changes is not the point. The point is that the Democrats twisted the bill from being something about supporting businesses and citizens, into something which had much bigger consequences with the sole intention of ensuring that Trump would be seen as the bad guy who didn't help people out. In reality, it's the Democrats who are ensuring that people don't receive much needed money and you're ok with that.
You seemed to have no problem with Republicans twisting the first stimulus to help billionaires, while ensuring that regular people like you would be waiting around with your hands out pretty much as soon as you cashed that check.

Look... you don't seem to understand how deals get done in America, Jack. Do you even know how many miscellaneous things were added to the 2008 stimulus to get it passed? It's really no point in posting if you aren't going to educate yourself, tbf.
 

Johnstown

Dominant Poster
Jun 4, 2013
25,144
8,250
He's washed up. You can really see that he's trying to get people to not vote for Biden and get Trump to win. I'm not saying he's a secret republican or anything but it's clear he wants Biden to lose so he can "make a point". I've seen this evolution over the course of this year.
He's a grifter.


His political views are irrelevant and probably largely non existent.
 
Reactions: Leftsmash
Aug 2, 2013
12,358
6,832
There are obvious issues, the constant battling doesn't help the civilians at all and both sides are responsible for that, but surely you'd have to admit that the HEROES Act is full of things which have nothing to do with Covid relief?
That's literally every major piece of legislation that gets passed in America. So yeah, if you want to throw both parties under the bus for that one, then ok, fine. It is clear though that the biggest obstacle to all of this is not Pelosi, the democrats, and it's not Trump either, it's the senate republicans.