US Presidential Election - November 3rd 2020

Who wins?


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Aug 2, 2013
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He's a grifter.


His political views are irrelevant and probably largely non existent.
I don't know if he's a grifter and I don't want to throw that accusation on anyone without any kind of real evidence but it's clear that he's out for his feelings more than anything else and he's also disingenuous with pretending that he doesn't give a shit about who wins the election. He tries to make himself out like Ralph Nader or what Noam Chomsky was for in every election before this one in thinking that "it doesn't matter who wins" but in all reality he's for having Trump win because he thinks that will prove some point of his or will automatically lead to positive change and somehow losing to Trump will make them a better party. He said that last time and all we have now is a fascist in the white house who was able to give a massive tax cut to the rich and appoint 3 supreme court justices.
 

Jack

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That's literally every major piece of legislation that gets passed in America. So yeah, if you want to throw both parties under the bus for that one, then ok, fine. It is clear though that the biggest obstacle to all of this is not Pelosi, the democrats, and it's not Trump either, it's the senate republicans.
That's fair enough but the threat posed to the American people is here now. It's not a typical time, there's no room for all this nonsense when people's lives are at stake, with businesses going under, people losing their jobs, debts being racked up and homes being lost. It calls for urgent action so even if this politicking isn't unheard of, it's certainly at a time when it's least needed.

It shouldn't be like that. Pelosi is only doing it because she doesn't want Trump to have a win so close to the election, so it's a very cheap move. I'm not saying it's unprecedented or that the Republicans wouldn't do the same thing if the roles were reversed, but I just think it should be called out for what it is. It's allowing people to have their lives ruined because of petty point scoring.
 

steviebruno

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That's fair enough but the threat posed to the American people is here now. It's not a typical time, there's no room for all this nonsense when people's lives are at stake, with businesses going under, people losing their jobs, debts being racked up and homes being lost. It calls for urgent action so even if this politicking isn't unheard of, it's certainly at a time when it's least needed.

It shouldn't be like that. Pelosi is only doing it because she doesn't want Trump to have a win so close to the election, so it's a very cheap move. I'm not saying it's unprecedented or that the Republicans wouldn't do the same thing if the roles were reversed, but I just think it should be called out for what it is. It's allowing people to have their lives ruined because of petty point scoring.
Smh... fine cover your ears and just keep repeating yourself. Can't be helped.
 
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That's fair enough but the threat posed to the American people is here now. It's not a typical time, there's no room for all this nonsense when people's lives are at stake, with businesses going under, people losing their jobs, debts being racked up and homes being lost. It calls for urgent action so even if this politicking isn't unheard of, it's certainly at a time when it's least needed.

It shouldn't be like that. Pelosi is only doing it because she doesn't want Trump to have a win so close to the election, so it's a very cheap move. I'm not saying it's unprecedented or that the Republicans wouldn't do the same thing if the roles were reversed, but I just think it should be called out for what it is. It's allowing people to have their lives ruined because of petty point scoring.
I think you have to realize though that politics here in the states is different than the UK. First of all, the republicans that you are cheering on are much farther to the right than the Tories, matter of fact, the democrats in some ways are probably to the right of the Tories and also, we have a much more corrupt system where alot of corrupt shit gets put in to the bills and there's alot more deal making going on.

Pelosi is negotiating strongly because she has leverage. She knows Trump has to cave in more to go along with what her and the dems want. He's the one in the weaker position. The ball is sort of in Trump's court because Trump has to get republicans to go along with it but many of them, like McConnell don't want to do shit.
 

Jack

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I think you have to realize though that politics here in the states is different than the UK. First of all, the republicans that you are cheering on are much farther to the right than the Tories, matter of fact, the democrats in some ways are probably to the right of the Tories and also, we have a much more corrupt system where alot of corrupt shit gets put in to the bills and there's alot more deal making going on.

Pelosi is negotiating strongly because she has leverage. She knows Trump has to cave in more to go along with what her and the dems want. He's the one in the weaker position. The ball is sort of in Trump's court because Trump has to get republicans to go along with it but many of them, like McConnell don't want to do shit.
But the leverage is the American people, at a time when they need help more than any other time in recent history. This tactic might not be unique but it's come at a once in a lifetime crisis for the American people. They're the ones who are suffering, this isn't just an issue for the two parties to bicker over. The Republicans have a deal which would help Americans and the Democrats are purposefully holding that back...why? Why is this justifiable? It's a cruel and wicked thing to do.

Sometimes, you'd be able to look at British politics and from the outside, have a much clearer picture on things than any British person does, because you're an outsider. I feel like that's the same now from my perspective. To me it's just staggering that anyone would defend watching their fellow citizens suffer and have their lives ruined because a multi-millionaire has a grudge with a billionaire. You come across as a good person, you're a good poster and I enjoy reading your posts but I hope you can see this from a neutral perspective. To me - and fair enough if you think I'm wrong - it seems like one of the cruellest examples you'll ever, ever find of the sort of cancerous party politics which is far too prevalent in the western world. Whether someone loves or hates Trump, I think they should be equally united in their criticism for this kind of wicked stunt.
 

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But the leverage is the American people, at a time when they need help more than any other time in recent history. This tactic might not be unique but it's come at a once in a lifetime crisis for the American people. They're the ones who are suffering, this isn't just an issue for the two parties to bicker over. The Republicans have a deal which would help Americans and the Democrats are purposefully holding that back...why? Why is this justifiable? It's a cruel and wicked thing to do.

Sometimes, you'd be able to look at British politics and from the outside, have a much clearer picture on things than any British person does, because you're an outsider. I feel like that's the same now from my perspective. To me it's just staggering that anyone would defend watching their fellow citizens suffer and have their lives ruined because a multi-millionaire has a grudge with a billionaire. You come across as a good person, you're a good poster and I enjoy reading your posts but I hope you can see this from a neutral perspective. To me - and fair enough if you think I'm wrong - it seems like one of the cruellest examples you'll ever, ever find of the sort of cancerous party politics which is far too prevalent in the western world. Whether someone loves or hates Trump, I think they should be equally united in their criticism for this kind of wicked stunt.
 

steviebruno

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But the leverage is the American people, at a time when they need help more than any other time in recent history. This tactic might not be unique but it's come at a once in a lifetime crisis for the American people. They're the ones who are suffering, this isn't just an issue for the two parties to bicker over. The Republicans have a deal which would help Americans and the Democrats are purposefully holding that back...why? Why is this justifiable? It's a cruel and wicked thing to do.

Sometimes, you'd be able to look at British politics and from the outside, have a much clearer picture on things than any British person does, because you're an outsider. I feel like that's the same now from my perspective. To me it's just staggering that anyone would defend watching their fellow citizens suffer and have their lives ruined because a multi-millionaire has a grudge with a billionaire. You come across as a good person, you're a good poster and I enjoy reading your posts but I hope you can see this from a neutral perspective. To me - and fair enough if you think I'm wrong - it seems like one of the cruellest examples you'll ever, ever find of the sort of cancerous party politics which is far too prevalent in the western world. Whether someone loves or hates Trump, I think they should be equally united in their criticism for this kind of wicked stunt.
Smh...
 

Jack

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You keep repeating this point that you don't think I get it. I do get it, I know exactly what you're saying and I don't think you're wrong to talk about the fractious nature of American, the historical precedents and so on. However, what you don't get is that this is still worthy of condemnation. The fact you think it's ok for Pelosi to fuck people over and you still say "b-b-bbbut Trump!!" says a lot. You're watching Americans suffer and you still think that the thing which matters here is party politics. It's not. The only reason that politicians get away with these sorts of things is because of people like you, who can be shafted at every step and yet accept it with a smile on your face because you're told that it's the other team's fault.
 

steviebruno

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You keep repeating this point that you don't think I get it. I do get it, I know exactly what you're saying and I don't think you're wrong to talk about the fractious nature of American, the historical precedents and so on. However, what you don't get is that this is still worthy of condemnation. The fact you think it's ok for Pelosi to fuck people over and you still say "b-b-bbbut Trump!!" says a lot. You're watching Americans suffer and you still think that the thing which matters here is party politics. It's not. The only reason that politicians get away with these sorts of things is because of people like you, who can be shafted at every step and yet accept it with a smile on your face because you're told that it's the other team's fault.
I don't think that you do actually get it, Jack. Once more:

-The Democrats have had stimulus bills collecting dust in the Senate since September 1st.

-The Democrats were the ones fighting for more money in the first stimulus.

-The Republicans are the ones that forced the Democrats to negotiate down to $1200, while ensuring that billionaires increased their wealth by half a trillion dollars

-The Republicans told you that they only wanted the stimulus to be a one time payment, indicating that it would be up to the American citizens to return to work during a pandemic, with no actual plan in place to contain the virus.

-Donald Trump stood up on the debate stage and told you who held up the next stimulus and why. Better to starve everyone than help out "poorly run" blue states, right?

-It actually does cost more money to live in a blue state like NY than it does to live in Bumfukk, Nebraska. $1200 here is a month's rent in a one bedroom apartment.

....

You aren't really saying anything new, but I would love for you to elaborate on the insidious "ballot harvesting" scheme, and all the other nefarious aspects of the Democrat proposal.
 

Haggis

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There are obvious issues, the constant battling doesn't help the civilians at all and both sides are responsible for that, but surely you'd have to admit that the HEROES Act is full of things which have nothing to do with Covid relief?
I would love to give you a simple quiz about American government, how it is designed to work, who the people at the highest levels of it are, and what they are doing. You'd be absolutely hopeless.

Because it's very clear from all of your posts on the subject, that all of your opinions come direct from right wing garbage blogs. The longer your post is, the clearer it is that this is the case. That's why you never - like, not EVER - mention a single politician outside of the right wing garbage blog boogeyman trio of Biden, Pelosi, and AOC (who is just a freshman Congresswoman, one of 435, and less senior than almost all of them, yet she's constantly talked about like she's Mitch McConnell. Not that you have any clue who McConnell is, what his job is or what he's doing with it, of course. :patsch )

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Both sides, right @Jack ?

If shyt like this is going happen, Joe Biden should absolutely pack the courts.
And then when the Republicans win the election after they can quadruple pack it. How will that end up?

Actually, when Trump wins on Nov 3 he should do what you lot are planning to do and pack the court to 21.
 
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steviebruno

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Nothing to see here...
 
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Nothing to see here...
You lot are fucked.

Maybe Trump is right. the US isn't a first world country it's a developing country. or 2nd world at the best