Discussion Usyk isn't popular enough for me to fight - Whyte

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“He’s a good fighter, but no one knows who he is,” Whyte said of Oleksander Usyk.

“He speaks no English. What I’m saying is he’s not really a big fight for me. The hardcore boxing fans will watch Whyte vs. Usyk, but imagine trying to sell Usyk-Whyte to the general public.”

“There’s five possible fighters out there for me - Joshua, Tyson Fury, Miller, Breazeale and Wilder ,” Whyte said.
 
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The classic sky addict “a side b side numbers bruv” defence for ducking. Straight off the hymn sheet of “Eddie Hearns says...”
 
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He's got a point and in all honesty I don't see how this is him avoiding anyone, I genuinely believe that he will fight anyone should the rewards after it be there. He's had a big year and deserves a title shot more than anyone in the division as far as I'm concerned. He shouldn't have any need to face such a dangerous guy at this point with nothing on the line. He's correct that a fight against usyk doesn't sell as well as others imo so a bit of risk/reward assessment is understandable.

Say he beats usyk in a hard fight then what? He gets little credit because he will be labelled a small cruiserweight and he will probably still get fucked around by anyone holding a belt. He should be a mandatory for at least one belt by now but for some reason isn't, so I'd give him a steady fight next, a run out just to keep ticking over then go again. He will be worn out by the time he gets a title shot if he goes against contenders fight after fight.
 
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He's got a point and in all honesty I don't see how this is him avoiding anyone, I genuinely believe that he will fight anyone should the rewards after it be there. He's had a big year and deserves a title shot more than anyone in the division as far as I'm concerned. He shouldn't have any need to face such a dangerous guy at this point with nothing on the line. He's correct that a fight against usyk doesn't sell as well as others imo so a bit of risk/reward assessment is understandable.

Say he beats usyk in a hard fight then what? He gets little credit because he will be labelled a small cruiserweight and he will probably still get fucked around by anyone holding a belt. He should be a mandatory for at least one belt by now but for some reason isn't, so I'd give him a steady fight next, a run out just to keep ticking over then go again. He will be worn out by the time he gets a title shot if he goes against contenders fight after fight.
He’s not mandatory because he turned down 2 eliminators
 
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Love how he mentions Miller & Brezeale but won’t fight Usyk or Povetkin.
Miller and brezeale are still top 10, I don't see any other contender fighting top 10 fighters. Povetkin went in with price before his title shot ffs. Why should he constantly face the dangermen with nothing on the line? Miller and brezeale are still genuine fights against hard opponents and he should be credited for mentioning them when he could sit on a ranking like the rest seem to do.

I'd say usyk and povetkin are harder fights but see my post above about risk/reward factor. He doesn't have much to gain by facing them but all to lose. His next fight should really be for a title but it probably won't be. I say good luck to him because he has already had a harder route than anyone else in the division for a title shot.
 
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He’s not mandatory because he turned down 2 eliminators
Well wins against Browne, Parker and chisora over 12 months should get you a shot in my book. More than any other challenger has done this year. I also don't see why he was ordered to face Ortiz was it? And wasn't that after brezeale had already been confirmed as mandatory so that would have been for the next mandatory spot? Also known as a fight with wilder in the next 2 years of he was lucky. I know there was some bollocks involved in those eliminator shots, hence why they were not taken.
 
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Miller and brezeale are still top 10, I don't see any other contender fighting top 10 fighters. Povetkin went in with price before his title shot ffs. Why should he constantly face the dangermen with nothing on the line? Miller and brezeale are still genuine fights against hard opponents and he should be credited for mentioning them when he could sit on a ranking like the rest seem to do.

I'd say usyk and povetkin are harder fights but see my post above about risk/reward factor. He doesn't have much to gain by facing them but all to lose. His next fight should really be for a title but it probably won't be. I say good luck to him because he has already had a harder route than anyone else in the division for a title shot.
It’s all about money, Whyte fought Parker & Chisora because he could get pay days on Sky PPV as the British public will pay for anything.

Pulev & Ortiz both tried to fight Dillian Whyte for example but can’t really fight each other because there’s no money in it.

People are making the mistake of thinking Whyte’s chasing belts, all he’s after is money, he’s turned down two final eliminators to fight Parker & Chisora. It’s no different to DeGale giving up his belt to fight Eubank over Uzcagetui (apologies for spelling).

I don’t blame him for it. He’s just after making as much money as he can whilst everyone’s getting away with putting everything on PPV.

I called it on here a while back that he’ll chase Miller if he doesn’t get Joshua next, be able to sell it with loads of trash talk & like most of Whyte’s opponents he’s a brawler rather than a boxer so he’s a good chance of winning.
 
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It’s all about money, Whyte fought Parker & Chisora because he could get pay days on Sky PPV as the British public will pay for anything.

Pulev & Ortiz both tried to fight Dillian Whyte for example but can’t really fight each other because there’s no money in it.

People are making the mistake of thinking Whyte’s chasing belts, all he’s after is money, he’s turned down two final eliminators to fight Parker & Chisora. It’s no different to DeGale giving up his belt to fight Eubank over Uzcagetui (apologies for spelling).

I don’t blame him for it. He’s just after making as much money as he can whilst everyone’s getting away with putting everything on PPV.

I called it on here a while back that he’ll chase Miller if he doesn’t get Joshua next, be able to sell it with loads of trash talk & like most of Whyte’s opponents he’s a brawler rather than a boxer so he’s a good chance of winning.
Of course it's about money just as much as belts. I genuinely think he wants a title too but I certainly think he's taken a hard path to make money and thus pushed himself into deserved title contention. I just don't see how people can discredit him in all honesty. Just been reading the thread about his stock going up after chisora and there are still clowns trying to pick him apart in there. He's got one of the best records in the division, at least recent records. I'd argue it's even better than Wilders resume at this point, yet he still doesn't get much credit.
 
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Nonsense. Usyk would be an incredible win and he would get loads of credit
Your right it would be an incredible win but I still reckon people would make their excuses. Also why should he take such a risky fight before a title shot. I keep coming back to this but he thoroughly deserves one, more so than anyone else in the division.

People gave him shit about his first chisora win saying he lost it when it was just a close fight that could have gone either way. He then knocks out del in brutal fashion second time around and he still comes in for shit on this board and gains little to no credit from what I hope would be knowledgeable boxing fans.
 
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“He’s a good fighter, but no one knows who he is,” Whyte said of Oleksander Usyk.

“He speaks no English. What I’m saying is he’s not really a big fight for me. The hardcore boxing fans will watch Whyte vs. Usyk, but imagine trying to sell Usyk-Whyte to the general public.”

“There’s five possible fighters out there for me - Joshua, Tyson Fury, Miller, Breazeale and Wilder ,” Whyte said.
But that smacks to me of
I like that Whyte, he will fight anybody........apparently.
Know what you mean Arry. Except possibly Usyk. He's nailed on to fight AJ and has earned it so obviously doesn't want to fight the guy. Maybe after he's lost his April fight and Usyk has eased his way into the division.
Speaks no English?? His English is a hell of a lot better than Dillans Ukranian or Russian. Since when has that been a barrier though?? I don't think Chavez spoke all that much. And they've not stopped interpreters yet as far as I know.
 
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“He’s a good fighter, but no one knows who he is,” Whyte said of Oleksander Usyk.

“He speaks no English. What I’m saying is he’s not really a big fight for me. The hardcore boxing fans will watch Whyte vs. Usyk, but imagine trying to sell Usyk-Whyte to the general public.”

“There’s five possible fighters out there for me - Joshua, Tyson Fury, Miller, Breazeale and Wilder ,” Whyte said.
But that smacks to me of Usyk doesn't belong in that list cos he might just be tougher than them. Dunno why he needs to mention him at all he's already got his shot in April.
 
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Of course it's about money just as much as belts. I genuinely think he wants a title too but I certainly think he's taken a hard path to make money and thus pushed himself into deserved title contention. I just don't see how people can discredit him in all honesty. Just been reading the thread about his stock going up after chisora and there are still clowns trying to pick him apart in there. He's got one of the best records in the division, at least recent records. I'd argue it's even better than Wilders resume at this point, yet he still doesn't get much credit.
He's taken tough fights because they've all been on PPV and he's earnt a shed load for them. What genuine risks has he taken that he hasn't been rewarded for?

That said, if Wilder Fury 2 is next then AJ should fight Whyte. Outside of those 4, Usyk is the next best opponent, or possibly Pulev
 
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Well wins against Browne, Parker and chisora over 12 months should get you a shot in my book. More than any other challenger has done this year. I also don't see why he was ordered to face Ortiz was it? And wasn't that after brezeale had already been confirmed as mandatory so that would have been for the next mandatory spot? Also known as a fight with wilder in the next 2 years of he was lucky. I know there was some bollocks involved in those eliminator shots, hence why they were not taken.
I don’t disagree with you mate but if he wanted to force it through he could have taken those eliminators and guaranteed a shot even if he had to wait around for the mandatory to be called
 
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Why should he box a Cruiserweight when he's earnt his shot at a world title?

Uysk is boxing Ortiz anyway. He was going to box Povetkin but Povetkin took the Joshua fight so he went for Parker.

Oh he should give Povetkin the opportunity now he's been sparked by AJ.

Whyte would kill Brazeale I would like to see the Ortiz fight but in all honesty why does he need it.

No one in his position would take that fight. Last night he said he would box Millar on Talksport if the fight is available.
 
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It’s all about money, Whyte fought Parker & Chisora because he could get pay days on Sky PPV as the British public will pay for anything.

Pulev & Ortiz both tried to fight Dillian Whyte for example but can’t really fight each other because there’s no money in it.

People are making the mistake of thinking Whyte’s chasing belts, all he’s after is money, he’s turned down two final eliminators to fight Parker & Chisora. It’s no different to DeGale giving up his belt to fight Eubank over Uzcagetui (apologies for spelling).

I don’t blame him for it. He’s just after making as much money as he can whilst everyone’s getting away with putting everything on PPV.

I called it on here a while back that he’ll chase Miller if he doesn’t get Joshua next, be able to sell it with loads of trash talk & like most of Whyte’s opponents he’s a brawler rather than a boxer so he’s a good chance of winning.
No only Degale has won a world title and is it the end of his career, he's achieved everything. Whyte has done fuck all except beat a few fringe guys and gate keepers now he's calling the shots on who he fights and for how much. I like Whyte I think he's entertaining but this kind of behaviour is bullshit, fight the fucking best or fuck off.