RBR!!! Vasyl Lomachenko (WBC, WBA & WBO) vs. Teofimo Lopez (IBF) - October 17th 2020

Lomachenko vs. Lopez Winner and How?


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REDC

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You're not really intelligent enough to misrepresent my position convincingly.
If I had said that the 14-month layoff was a factor you would've ridiculed me. Unfortunately, it came out of Teo's own mouth.
Your position is that you're an asshole.
 
Aug 19, 2020
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Good entertaining fight, congrats to Teo, he pulled it out, I literally couldn't watch it live I couldn't wait for it as I had a busy Sunday planned but I just watched it now and missed all the fun here which is a shame but I had a good look at the comments and I see overwhelming consensus that Teo legit won the fight. When the bell sounded for the 6th I said to myself Loma must take this round to stay in reach and when the bell sounded for the end I put a 10 in the Teo column and I knew that was a rap since there was no way Loma was knocking him out even before the fight I picked him to win on points, a KO seemed unrealistic to me long before the fight even started.

It's tempting to point out everything Loma didn't do and should have and maybe I'll come back and do that at a later time but it's all about what Teo did do right now for me, he didn't freeze and he fought like he was defending his championship, super impressed with the kid and his composure, I was sure he was going to get over aggressive early but he stayed behind the jab and put those rounds in the bank, a 23 year old 15 fight novice is the number 1 lightweight in the world and I hope his next fight is a big lucrative PPV showdown and he is fully rewarded, credit to both men for taking the fight behind closed doors.

Takeover Complete.
 
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Pedderrs

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If I had said that the 14-month layoff was a factor you would've ridiculed me. Unfortunately, it came out of Teo's own mouth.
Your position is that you're an asshole.
:lol: We don't have to do this, REDC.

Lomachenko is a great fighter and I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the size disparity played some role in the result. Likewise, I am perfectly okay with the notion that Loma's lay off may have hurt him too. What I am not okay with, is the emphasis on these two things when a young man who was written off by yourself and almost everyone else just convincingly bested a fighter many considered to be the best in the world. I find that to be suspect.

That being said, let's be friends. Not enemies.
 
Aug 19, 2020
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This! Who knows maybe he is burned out and on the slide.

But, I could see him getting going earlier in the rematch and winning.
There won't be any rematch not only because there's no clause in the contract but the champ said in the post-fight presser that he won't be giving him one, he said team Loma didn't want the rematch clause because they didn't intend to give Teo one if they beat him as they expected to

Did not expect a UD for Lopez.
No one did so you're not alone. 31 votes total, 0 for Teo on points.

What was his score? What did he say?
Dre had it level, 114-114
 
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Sittin Sonny

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Jun 10, 2013
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This is how desperate people were to see Lomachenko ‘lose’. Now a low blow is a body shot that hurt him.
Punches to the pit of the stomach aren't "low" you anus.


Let’s just think about this, you have a guy winning who has a highlight reel of landing punches on arms/gloves while getting landed on cleanly. I mean people here watch boxing right? We know what scoring punches are?
Yes, scoring punches are the heavy jabs, right hands, and body shots that Lopez landed throughout the fight, as opposed to the much more sporadic slaps and headbutts of Loma.
 
Jul 15, 2012
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There won't be any rematch not only because there's no clause in the contract but the champ said in the post-fight presser that he won't be giving him one, he said team Loma didn't want the rematch clause because they didn't intend to give Teo one if they beat him as they expected to
Good on them.
 
May 25, 2013
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So who's that Rican kid with 14 1st round KO's on the undercard. Is he a bum like Valero or legit?
 

DB Cooper

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Yawn, I just rewatched the 12th. Lopez landed his best head shots of the whole fight, and very clearly lost the round. You do know that punches landed on gloves, air and posturing don’t count as scoring punches right? You do know that Teo’s punches aren’t worth 3 Loma punches each right? You do know that Teo doesn’t get a round for looking confident right? You do know that Teo doesn’t win the round by simply not falling right?
You know that Lopez out landed Loma in the 2nd round 11 punches to 5, right?

You know that Lopez out landed Loma in the 5th round 7 punches to 5, right?

You know that Lopez out landed Loma in the 12th round 50 punches to 19, right?

You know that not a single person on the planet saw the fight the way you did, right?
 
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DB Cooper

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From memory the second, the fifth, and then the last six rounds. If anyone wants to pull out any of those rounds to actually analyse then cool, I wouldn’t expect anyone here to want to see they’re wrong though.
You are the only person on the planet I can find who scored rounds 2, 5 and 12 to Loma.

Not 1 of the 3 judges scored Loma a single round until round 8. Why? Because his work rate was almost zero. He barely landed a punch until round 8.

Not 1 of the 3 judges scored the 12th to Loma either. Why? Because Lopez clearly won that round as well.

 
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For what it's worth, a fight that's rematch worthy, imo.

Loma showed when he was being the agressor, he could compete with Lopez. Lopez fought pretty much 99% of the fight on the front foot, on the rare occasions when Loma backed him up, he didn't look comfortable.

If Loma has the motivation and shows up for the first 6 rounds, then the rematch could be a classic.

One of the biggest things from the first fight for me was Lopez's speed. The outright speed between the two was very comparable. Great performances from Lopez.
 
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DB Cooper

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For what it's worth, a fight that's rematch worthy, imo.

Loma showed when he was being the agressor, he could compete with Lopez. Lopez fought pretty much 99% of the fight on the front foot, on the rare occasions when Loma backed him up, he didn't look comfortable.

If Loma has the motivation and shows up for the first 6 rounds, then the rematch could be a classic.

One of the biggest things from the first fight for me was Lopez's speed. The outright speed between the two was very comparable. Great performances from Lopez.
I have no objection whatsoever to a rematch and would definitely watch it. But anyone claiming Loma won the fight they just had doesn't know how to score a fight. You can't win rounds doing nothing. That isn't even open to interpretation.
 
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You are the only person on the planet I can find who scored rounds 2, 5 and 12 to Loma.

Not 1 of the 3 judges scored Loma a single round until round 8. Why? Because his work rate was almost zero. He barely landed a punch until round 8.

Not 1 of the 3 judges scored the 12th to Loma either. Why? Because Lopez clearly won that round as well.

You do realise you’re quoting boxing judges to me right?
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I have no objection whatsoever to a rematch and would definitely watch it. But anyone claiming Loma won the fight they just had doesn't know how to score a fight. You can't win rounds doing nothing. That isn't even open to interpretation.
Exactly, you don’t win rounds doing nothing. You also don’t win rounds by not landing punches. This wasn’t a close fight, I was honestly embarrassed for Teo and his father when they were acting like they had won when the bell rang.

 
Jun 4, 2013
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You know that Lopez out landed Loma in the 2nd round 11 punches to 5, right?

You know that Lopez out landed Loma in the 5th round 7 punches to 5, right?

You know that Lopez out landed Loma in the 12th round 50 punches to 19, right?

You know that not a single person on the planet saw the fight the way you did, right?
Oh, you look at compubox and trust judges/commentators. I’m an honest boxing fan who knows boxing, I must seem like a unicorn to you huh?

 
Jun 6, 2013
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Teo himself saying that Loma's 14-month layoff was a factor (which it was of course).

Pedders will be in here in a second though saying it wasn't :lol:
So who's that Rican kid with 14 1st round KO's on the undercard. Is he a bum like Valero or legit?

You talking about Berlenga? He's as legit as they come. (My favorite prospect for about the last 2 years. Now no longer a prospect.)

He's in a pretty tough division, though, so time will tell, but he's got massive skills and huge power.
- And his defense looks really solid, so he won't likely get blown out when he steps up.
 
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