RBR!!! Vasyl Lomachenko (WBC, WBA & WBO) vs. Teofimo Lopez (IBF) - October 17th 2020

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Lomachenko vs. Lopez Winner and How?


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You said his shoulder was the issue. I merely said it wasn't the only cause as per Loma's OWN words.

Not throwing a lot of punches because of a gap issue makes perfect sense unless you think hitting air scores points.
I'm not saying that was the only cause, Lopez is dangerous, BUT to effectively close the distance, you have to be punching.
Again, I'm not saying Loma would win the rematch even though I'd favor it, BUT it would be much more competitive
 

dominus

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If you go with the criteria "effective" for scoring punches, Teo wins IMO. Not only because of volume, but also the fact that Loma was heavily preoccupied being defensive instead of his usual high offensive activity rate. Loma is notoriously a slow starter. But 6 rounds of lack of offense is way too much.
Hard to remember a big fight where those who watched it were more unanimous with who the winner was.
 
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Defence is important because it sets up offence.
So even if Teofimo missed 95% of his punches, he still outlanded Loma throwing nothing.
People didn’t say this shit with Pernell and Pep. Boxing fans are full of shit. If you make your opponent miss everything then you land a jab, you won the round.
 
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Hard to remember a big fight where those who watched it were more unanimous with who the winner was.
Ever thought that you’re only exposed to a sub-sample of fans? Nobody thought it was a wide victory, almost everyone had it around a draw. Then you factor in how Loma was making all those punches ‘just miss’, while Lopez looked confident...
It’s easy to see if you have a brain and you’re honest. But no, keep treating a judges scorecard as gospel..
 

dominus

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People didn’t say this shit with Pernell and Pep. Boxing fans are full of shit. If you make your opponent miss everything then you land a jab, you won the round.
Don't try and pretend it was only the fans who scored it for Lopez. Everybody did. Judges included.
 
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Not naive at all. You know baxin' better than most here, but you've got this one worng.
Loma was stymied because Lopez's foot movement / ring generalship was stopping Loma from using his patented "move to the right and fire at an angle" technique. Without that, Loma had no real offense from distance.

And the very few times he went inside, he got his face rearranged.

As for the shoulder, gimme a break. Maybe it affected all those punches Loma never threw, who knows? lol.... The few times he actually commited to serious punches, he looked as fast and sharp as in any other fight, and he wasn't wincing, nor complaining in the corner.
It's just obvious BS from an ego-bruised prima donna. (A brilliantly talented prima donna, but a snowflake all the same.)

I think Loma would have a 50-50 chance of winning should a rematch happen, but only if he comes in with a very different game plan, and only if he's willing to accept a lot of pain in order to land flush.
Highlights of Lomachenko getting punched? Non-existent you clown.
 

dominus

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Ever thought that you’re only exposed to a sub-sample of fans? Nobody thought it was a wide victory, almost everyone had it around a draw. Then you factor in how Loma was making all those punches ‘just miss’, while Lopez looked confident...
It’s easy to see if you have a brain and you’re honest. But no, keep treating a judges scorecard as gospel..
You are so full of shit.

Almost everyone had it for Lopez.

The best you could find were Atlas and Crawford calling it a draw and who did Atlas score the 12th round to?
 
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You are so full of shit.

Almost everyone had it for Lopez.

The best you could find were Atlas and Crawford calling it a draw and who did Atlas score the 12th round to?
Almost everyone? You’ve done a poll? What’s the acceptable percentage for ‘almost everyone’? It’s called confirmation bias.. you’re not full of shit, you’re legitimately dumb.
 
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Lopez completely overwhelmed Loma with his size and power. Anyone who actually watched tje fight saw that with their own eyes.
 
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Almost everyone? You’ve done a poll? What’s the acceptable percentage for ‘almost everyone’? It’s called confirmation bias.. you’re not full of shit, you’re legitimately dumb.
You desperately searched for someone who scored it for Loma and the best you could come up with was two people who scored it a draw. One of whom still condradicted your absolutely ridiculous claim Loma won the last round.
 
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dominus

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Almost everyone? You’ve done a poll? What’s the acceptable percentage for ‘almost everyone’? It’s called confirmation bias.. you’re not full of shit, you’re legitimately dumb.
It really suits you trying to live such an absurd lie.

Can't think of a better way to convey to a group of people you are mentally deranged.

I can see this thread is going to keep giving deep into the future. Carry on delusional one.
 
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@Dealt_with refusing to believe Loma lost is the result of an involuntary defence mechanism. It is not that he won't recognize Loma's loss. He simply can't. The reality is just too traumatic for him to cope with.
 
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@Dealt_with refusing to believe Loma lost is the result of an involuntary defence mechanism. It is not that he won't recognize Loma's loss. He simply can't. The reality is just too traumatic for him to cope with.
You have no idea just how wrong you are. I don’t care if Loma loses, retires, or really even if he loses his life. I don’t know him, I’ve admired his boxing. Him losing or not has zero impact on my life. What is important to me is telling the truth. I’m a boxing fan, a rare breed on boxing forums. That’s why you think I care about him, you’re projecting... you like characters. I’m sure most ‘boxing fans’ were followers of WWE prior to watching the sport. I’m a fan of the sport and I’m educated - another rare combination. I’m aware of cognitive biases and blind spots, about perceptual illusions etc.
That’s why I’m a better judge than everyone here.

If I’m just a blind fanboy then why did I recognise Loamchenko’s boxing genius long before he turned pro? Why did I make accurate predictions about his career trajectory and his eventual status (I said he would be pound for pound number one within ten pro fights, before he turned pro)? Why, instead of realising and acknowledging “Wow this guy really knows his shit”... we instead had “Oh you’re just a Loma fanboy, you must want to have sex him haha”?
That’s why I don’t take anyone here seriously, that’s why I trust my judgement over so called ‘experts’ and ‘fans’. The evidence is there, we have evidence of how little Lopez landed on video... yet we still have everyone on here “Oh but everyone scored if for Lopez”... as if that isn’t anything but a logical fallacy, as if that makes a point of any sort (other than providing evidence for a lack of critical thought in a largely subjective process).

So put it together, my superior judgement and the demonstrable retardation of the people on this boxing forum... oh, I’m wrong actually Lopez did win the fight. That’s obviously not going to happen. So why is it me being a fanboy when my response to the above is obvious? Slap yourself, I’m cool.
 
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After the surgery, it's reported he had a chipped rotator cuff and cartilage, which makes sense on why he didn't use his dominant hand (right hand). In not saying Loma would win a rematch, but it would be MUCH more competitive
I don't wanna' sound like a jerk, (yet I probably will :lol: ) but did anyone see the X rays?

It wouldn't be the first time a doctor was paid off to help support a BS loss excuse.

Also, If Loma had actually had a chipped rotator cup, he would have called off the fight. That's INCREDIBLE pain.

I'm calling total cow manure on that one.
 
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You have no idea just how wrong you are. I don’t care if Loma loses, retires, or really even if he loses his life. I don’t know him, I’ve admired his boxing. Him losing or not has zero impact on my life. What is important to me is telling the truth. I’m a boxing fan, a rare breed on boxing forums. That’s why you think I care about him, you’re projecting... you like characters. I’m sure most ‘boxing fans’ were followers of WWE prior to watching the sport. I’m a fan of the sport and I’m educated - another rare combination. I’m aware of cognitive biases and blind spots, about perceptual illusions etc.
That’s why I’m a better judge than everyone here.

If I’m just a blind fanboy then why did I recognise Loamchenko’s boxing genius long before he turned pro? Why did I make accurate predictions about his career trajectory and his eventual status (I said he would be pound for pound number one within ten pro fights, before he turned pro)? Why, instead of realising and acknowledging “Wow this guy really knows his shit”... we instead had “Oh you’re just a Loma fanboy, you must want to have sex him haha”?
That’s why I don’t take anyone here seriously, that’s why I trust my judgement over so called ‘experts’ and ‘fans’. The evidence is there, we have evidence of how little Lopez landed on video... yet we still have everyone on here “Oh but everyone scored if for Lopez”... as if that isn’t anything but a logical fallacy, as if that makes a point of any sort (other than providing evidence for a lack of critical thought in a largely subjective process).

So put it together, my superior judgement and the demonstrable retardation of the people on this boxing forum... oh, I’m wrong actually Lopez did win the fight. That’s obviously not going to happen. So why is it me being a fanboy when my response to the above is obvious? Slap yourself, I’m cool.
Did not read and I doubt anyone else will waste their time with it either.

I look forward to you being wound up like a toy on Loma's loss again and again though.
 
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I don't wanna' sound like a jerk, (yet I probably will :lol: ) but did anyone see the X rays?

It wouldn't be the first time a doctor was paid off to help support a BS loss excuse.

Also, If Loma had actually had a chipped rotator cup, he would have called off the fight. That's INCREDIBLE pain.

I'm calling total cow manure on that one.
Lol an x-ray wouldn't show that (I used to work in medical imaging).
He had surgery after the Linares fight as well, I believe
As far as the pain, it's standard practice to get steroid injections into that joint to relieve the pain, but it's a temporary band-aid
My skepticism comes from my medical background, but it's all speculation on my part.
We all got cheated in that display, win or lose, I'd want to see a healthy rematch
 

REDC

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We all interpret the written criteria for scoring boxing matches slightly differently, even the official judges seem to. But a lot of people watched Lopez-Loma. A lot of people and even taking into account the various interpretations of scoring, how many had it for Loma?

Absolutely fuck all is your answer. From judges, to former fighters, to experienced boxing critics, to the guy who thinks he knows more than he does. Almost without exception they all had Lopez the winner.
What you (conveniently to strengthen your case?) leave out is that many of the same people you mention above also had the opinion that the scores were too wide and unfair.