Was Michael Jackson an actual predatory pedophile, or just a really weird, really rich, essentially harmless guy with lots of issues?

Was Michael Jackson a fully-fledged predatory pedophile?

  • Disgusting pedo who should have died in jail

  • I wouldn't have sent my kids to Neverland, but he wasn't proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt

  • I think he was probably just a weird rich guy with a lot of issues about childhood


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Jun 4, 2012
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You said "lots." I just asked you to name some of your list with "lots" of names on it. You gave me 2.
I gave you two famous cases. But obviously lots of innocent people go to jail and lots of guilty ones walk. That's just common sense. Even if 98% of those found innocent are innocent, even 2% of cases getting it wrong would amount to "lots" of people.

You have just shifted away from answering any questions with pedantic takes on comments to act as a red herring. It is pretty telling.
 
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The evidence from these recent claims was never tested in a criminal court either.
I’m taking a guess that even if he were alive these claims wouldn’t get anywhere near a criminal trial.

I wonder if the claims would be made at all actually.
 
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I’m taking a guess that even if he were alive these claims wouldn’t get anywhere near a criminal trial.

I wonder if the claims would be made at all actually.
Agreed, and yeah I think if Jackson was alive there's no way Robson would be saying this.
 

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I'm not so sure that you would be that laid back about. Let's personalise it a bit. You find out that your son or nephew who is 7 and been going on camps with the Cubs has had the cub leader taking him into his tent and sleeping in a double sleeping bag together. You'd go to the cub leader and say "I recommend you stop doing that as it's weird"?

Or you would be fucking furious and pretty sure that the cub leader was motivated by something more sinister?

I agree with you that he's not guilty until proven to be so, but that is also the nature of many sexual crimes...very hard to prove. My point is that having a string of little boys sleep in your bed with you in a huge house with lots of spare rooms is beyond being a bit weird, and is outright creepy and highly suspicious and if a little boy or girl in your family or one of your friends' kids had been doing this with some random man in his 30's or 40's you would not see it in such a relaxed light.
I wouldn't let my child sleep in any strangers bed unsupervised, and certainly not for a fucking week while I visited the Grand Canyon. The fact they did shows what the level of trust these people must have had in MJ. You say his behaviour is weird, and it is for you and i, but still there is an aura of fragility, naivety and kindness in MJ that I don't think I've ever seen in another human being. He just did not grow up normally. I just can't imagine him hurting anyone or anything, certainly not children. When the witnesses said he asked them to spread their cheeks and suck his nipples while he masturbated, did anyone genuinely believe the idea of him doing that? Of course it is weird he hangs around with kids, but what other paedophile behaves the way MJ did with the Neverland ranch, the cartoons, and the sleepovers, and kids dancing on stage at his concerts? Your regular paedos didn't have those patterns of behaviour, they touched kids in secret and that was a very private, separate part of their lives. It was taboo. The bloke lived his life like a seven year old in a playground having fun, just permanently innocent, lonely in the adult world and finding comfort in playground friendships. It was never normal but painfully apparent that he wasnt a normal functioning adult.

Does that make him a paedophile? If so where is the evidence? The documentary amounts to three hours of 'actually it happened to #metoo', and 'can I have damages?' without a shred of proof or external witness testimony that Jackson did any of this. Surely a maid of another child or a parent somewhere might have heard a child being anally penetrated like both allege, but apparently not for the entirety of MJ's life. Just these handful of private uncorroborated incidents.

Why does the documentary not touch on what both the claimants both knew of each other?
 
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We have a grown man sleeping with boys which is highly suspicious without any accusations. Four of these boys have alleged he sexually abused them. The accusers weren't just kids shipped into Neverland for a day, having little contact with Jackson. They were close to Jackson over a number of years as shown by the film footage and photographs. They shared a bed with him. Jackson was open about this.

On top of this one child was paid off, books with nude photos of children were found at Neverland (including one Jackson inscribed himself, showing he had had some interest in it) and a maid (also paid off) claims she saw Jackson showering with a child she believed was Wade Robson, one of the accusers. Jackson's bedroom was apparently protected by some kind of alarm system and his sister La Toya clearly believed he was a paedophile in the 90s whatever she says now.

I think the testimony from Safechuk and Robson removes most of the doubt of Jackson being a paedophile. I understand the scepticism but I don't get the outright denial of some of his supporters. If he was innocent than he was extremely unlucky to have false allegations made about him by multiple people he would have considered to be friends.
 
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Davvers

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We have a grown man sleeping with boys which is highly suspicious without any accusations. Four of these boys have alleged he sexually abused them. The accusers weren't just kids shipped into Neverland for a day, having little contact with Jackson. They were close to Jackson over a number of years as shown by the film footage and photographs. They shared a bed with him. Jackson was open about this.

On top of this one child was paid off, books with nude photos of children were found at Neverland (including one Jackson inscribed himself, showing he had had some interest in it) and a maid (also paid off) claims she saw Jackson showering with a child she believed was Wade Robson, one of the accusers. Jackson's bedroom was apparently protected by some kind of alarm system and his sister La Toya clearly believed he was a paedophile in the 90s whatever she says now.

I think the testimony from Safechuk and Robson removes most of the doubt of Jackson being a paedophile. I understand the scepticism but I don't get the outright denial of some of his supporters. If he was innocent than he was extremely unlucky to have false allegations made about him by multiple people he would have considered to be friends.
Two of which waited until he died, and all of which have sought financial compensation for their trauma.

If it was a case of getting a dangerous repeat offender paedophile locked up, would any have bothered? Two obviously didn't during his lifetime, and one stood as a character witness for him at the age of 22! Whilst others that age are graduating with Masters degrees, Robson said at 22 he didn't realise that Jackson wedging his cock up his arse and asking for oral sex when he was 11 made MJ any kind of paedophile. Therefore he swore on the bible, lied repeatedly, and told the courts what a nice guy he was.

The FBI threw serious resources at the Jackson claims and didn't find enough to warrant any criminal prosecution. Jacko has only ever been pursued in civil trials.
 
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I wouldn't let my child sleep in any strangers bed unsupervised, and certainly not for a fucking week while I visited the Grand Canyon. The fact they did shows what the level of trust these people must have had in MJ. You say his behaviour is weird, and it is for you and i, but still there is an aura of fragility, naivety and kindness in MJ that I don't think I've ever seen in another human being. He just did not grow up normally. I just can't imagine him hurting anyone or anything, certainly not children. When the witnesses said he asked them to spread their cheeks and suck his nipples while he masturbated, did anyone genuinely believe the idea of him doing that? Of course it is weird he hangs around with kids, but what other paedophile behaves the way MJ did with the Neverland ranch, the cartoons, and the sleepovers, and kids dancing on stage at his concerts? Your regular paedos didn't have those patterns of behaviour, they touched kids in secret and that was a very private, separate part of their lives. It was taboo. The bloke lived his life like a seven year old in a playground having fun, just permanently innocent, lonely in the adult world and finding comfort in playground friendships. It was never normal but painfully apparent that he wasnt a normal functioning adult.

Does that make him a paedophile? If so where is the evidence? The documentary amounts to three hours of 'actually it happened to #metoo', and 'can I have damages?' without a shred of proof or external witness testimony that Jackson did any of this. Surely a maid of another child or a parent somewhere might have heard a child being anally penetrated like both allege, but apparently not for the entirety of MJ's life. Just these handful of private uncorroborated incidents.

Why does the documentary not touch on what both the claimants both knew of each other?
I always felt like Jackson's image was consistent with making himself a target but not typical of a pedophile.

Take a look at Jared Fogel. He created a public image that was normal to the point of him being one of the blandest celebrities of all time. And it turned out he was a ruthless pedophile.
 
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The fallout of this has been big and it shows me how fucking dangerous social media can be and the fact that a lot of people are sheep. People banning his music off the radio and shit like that. Robson and the other cunt swore under oath that Jackson never touched them. There's more facts proving Robson is a liar than there is of Jackson being a paedo.

Also if he swore under oath how isn't he getting done by the cops.
 
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This is as divisive as Brexit. I’ve been on a MJ binge since this whole thing was aired. I’ve read up on his prior cases and watched interviews etc. It’s so hard with what’s written online as every writer usually has an agenda, it’s hard to get an unbiased view. One thing that his defenders should consider is how clearly delusional and how big a liar Jackson could be.

Watch when he was quizzed by Bashir on his plastic surgery and his relationship with kids. He genuinely says he has had two nose jobs and that’s it. Also though it gives you a glimpse to the level of fame and hysteria surrounding him, and this wasn’t even in his hey day. He was the most famous person in the world, no pop star today even comes close to how big he was. He probably thought he was genuinely a god.
 
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We have a grown man sleeping with boys which is highly suspicious without any accusations. Four of these boys have alleged he sexually abused them. The accusers weren't just kids shipped into Neverland for a day, having little contact with Jackson. They were close to Jackson over a number of years as shown by the film footage and photographs. They shared a bed with him. Jackson was open about this.

On top of this one child was paid off, books with nude photos of children were found at Neverland (including one Jackson inscribed himself, showing he had had some interest in it) and a maid (also paid off) claims she saw Jackson showering with a child she believed was Wade Robson, one of the accusers. Jackson's bedroom was apparently protected by some kind of alarm system and his sister La Toya clearly believed he was a paedophile in the 90s whatever she says now.

I think the testimony from Safechuk and Robson removes most of the doubt of Jackson being a paedophile. I understand the scepticism but I don't get the outright denial of some of his supporters. If he was innocent than he was extremely unlucky to have false allegations made about him by multiple people he would have considered to be friends.
The maid was a proven liar actually. Her comments were sold to tabloids at the time, but she didn't go to the police and her initial sworn police testimony utterly contradicts her later claims that she got paid for.
 
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One thing I can't get is why all the other people who he abused never came out and said such things either at the time of trial or right now after this documentary? You would think that especially now since Jackson died and this program was aired and became huge it would lead to many more people to open up? We don't know exactly how many children MJ spent time with, but it must have been numerous and I don't know why he would not have abused them all if that was his thing and he could get away with it. Ever since the Barry Bennel case broke in the UK hundreds of former abused men have spoken out and come out of the shadows to say what happened to them at the hands of Bennel. I've read and heard what they have had to say and it is horrific, they are destroyed people in many ways. Why does that case of abuse affect people different than how the MJ abuse did?
 
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One thing I can't get is why all the other people who he abused never came out and said such things either at the time of trial or right now after this documentary? You would think that especially now since Jackson died and this program was aired and became huge it would lead to many more people to open up? We don't know exactly how many children MJ spent time with, but it must have been numerous and I don't know why he would not have abused them all if that was his thing and he could get away with it. Ever since the Barry Bennel case broke in the UK hundreds of former abused men have spoken out and come out of the shadows to say what happened to them at the hands of Bennel. I've read and heard what they have had to say and it is horrific, they are destroyed people in many ways. Why does that case of abuse affect people different than how the MJ abuse did?
Because the MJ abuse probably didn't really happen...
 
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One thing I can't get is why all the other people who he abused never came out and said such things either at the time of trial or right now after this documentary? You would think that especially now since Jackson died and this program was aired and became huge it would lead to many more people to open up? We don't know exactly how many children MJ spent time with, but it must have been numerous and I don't know why he would not have abused them all if that was his thing and he could get away with it. Ever since the Barry Bennel case broke in the UK hundreds of former abused men have spoken out and come out of the shadows to say what happened to them at the hands of Bennel. I've read and heard what they have had to say and it is horrific, they are destroyed people in many ways. Why does that case of abuse affect people different than how the MJ abuse did?
Good point.