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nah its not that mate.

if someone wants to be a cross dresser, whatever. because that's what he is, a man who likes to dress up in women's clothes. nothing more.

its the turning the workplace upside down and us all having to pander to the cunt that shits me.

he's not a woman, he's a man. i refuse to call him a woman, this new age pc bullshit has to stop.

don't forget, I've known this bloke for 3 years. and there is nothing female about him at all.

he has no female characteristics whatsoever.

that's why I say its bullshit and he is doing it for a compo payout - ie discrimination because he is a known rorter of the system.
Or maybe there are things that happen in other people's heads that you will never relate to or understand. Have you considered that possibility? Or does it not matter to you that every other person on Earth doesn't have the same exact disposition as you do? Maybe this dude really does feel like a woman trapped in a man's body? This is a documented thing that really does happen... all over the world. I personally don't understand or relate to it myself, but I can wrap my head around the possibility that they aren't lying about how they feel and I can respectfully adjust my pronouns without having my whole work life upended. Why do you have so much trouble with it? And why have you repeatedly mentioned the person's genitals as if you've seen them or as if you really know whats going on in their pants/skirt?
 
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I don't see an issue unless the fucker reports you for accidentally calling them for using their real name.

I did laugh at the 'he's taking these hormone pills that supposedly make him female' comment.

Support the mentally ill.
 
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Or maybe there are things that happen in other people's heads that you will never relate to or understand. Have you considered that possibility? Or does it not matter to you that every other person on Earth doesn't have the same exact disposition as you do? Maybe this dude really does feel like a woman trapped in a man's body? This is a documented thing that really does happen... all over the world. I personally don't understand or relate to it myself, but I can wrap my head around the possibility that they aren't lying about how they feel and I can respectfully adjust my pronouns without having my whole work life upended. Why do you have so much trouble with it? And why have you repeatedly mentioned the person's genitals as if you've seen them or as if you really know whats going on in their pants/skirt?
Not to speak for @hazza, buuuuuuuut........

Because he's not a woman. Simple as that. He can pretend all he wants, he can "feel like" a woman all his life, but every single cell in his body is genetically permanently hardcoded as male. Using the law to force others to deny objective biological reality and to instead embrace delusional fantasy, is fucking ridiculous. This guy can pretend all he wants and if he's not hurting anyone else then he should be free to do that. But he should not be free to force everyone else - on pain of losing their jobs - to deny objective reality because his feels. :bart

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Or maybe there are things that happen in other people's heads that you will never relate to or understand. Have you considered that possibility? Or does it not matter to you that every other person on Earth doesn't have the same exact disposition as you do? Maybe this dude really does feel like a woman trapped in a man's body? This is a documented thing that really does happen... all over the world. I personally don't understand or relate to it myself, but I can wrap my head around the possibility that they aren't lying about how they feel and I can respectfully adjust my pronouns without having my whole work life upended. Why do you have so much trouble with it? And why have you repeatedly mentioned the person's genitals as if you've seen them or as if you really know whats going on in their pants/skirt?


You’ll have to forgive Hazza, if you look up insular, ignorant or vanilla in the dictionary, there is a photo of Hazza

Anything outside his rather small box confuses the fuck out of him
 

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Not to speak for @hazza, buuuuuuuut........

Because he's not a woman. Simple as that. He can pretend all he wants, he can "feel like" a woman all his life, but every single cell in his body is genetically permanently hardcoded as male. Using the law to force others to deny objective biological reality and to instead embrace delusional fantasy, is fucking ridiculous. This guy can pretend all he wants and if he's not hurting anyone else then he should be free to do that. But he should not be free to force everyone else - on pain of losing their jobs - to deny objective reality because his feels. :bart

:hat




And then there is Haggis

He makes Hazza seem like a true man of the world, a well travelled, objective, intelligent chap


Realistically, they both should be hanging around in the land time forgot
 
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Not to speak for @hazza, buuuuuuuut........

Because he's not a woman. Simple as that. He can pretend all he wants, he can "feel like" a woman all his life, but every single cell in his body is genetically permanently hardcoded as male. Using the law to force others to deny objective biological reality and to instead embrace delusional fantasy, is fucking ridiculous. This guy can pretend all he wants and if he's not hurting anyone else then he should be free to do that. But he should not be free to force everyone else - on pain of losing their jobs - to deny objective reality because his feels. :bart

:hat
Go tell some gays that the biological reality is that dicks are designed to fit in vaginas.
 

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Go tell some gays that the biological reality is that dicks are designed to fit in vaginas.
I shouldn't say "delusional fantasy." That is wrong, in some cases. But the gay equivalence is not the same thing. Gay is a behavior. Gender is a physical thing. If a man wants to claim he's a woman, that's no business of mine. If I lose my job because I don't accept that someone with a penis and testicles who has fathered a child is actually a woman just the same as my girlfriend is - that's a problem.

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Go tell some gays that the biological reality is that dicks are designed to fit in vaginas.
It's not the same. Personally, I would use the pronouns that a transgender person wanted, as it does absolutely fuck all harm to me, and I have no interest in upsetting someone for something that simply doesn't matter to my life and my experience of each day. However, the fact that "misgendering" someone can get you fired and in some cases visited by the police is ludicrous.

A gay man believes he is a man who fancies men. He is objectively correct. A man who is XY with male genitals, who feels/believes that he is a woman is objectively wrong. He may have a mental illness, it may be that some prenatal issue has wired his brain in a fashion that makes him feel "in the wrong body" but he's not female. It's a biological reality that he is not a woman.

Let's say we find out what causes this. Let's assume (as might well be the case) that it's something in prenatal development in which hormones affecting the brain go "wrong". If scientists found a way to be able to identity what causes this and how taking a tablet would ensure that anyone born would identify with the actual sex that they are, a huge body of people would oppose this and call it hateful. They would say it was akin to "finding a cure for homosexuality" and decry it as evil, and hateful of transgender people. By default, their position would be that the more loving, respectful and kind way to deal with this, would not be for the baby to be born comfortable in its body, but for it to grow up feeling it was in the wrong body and then to give it a load of drugs to help alter its body, followed by invasive surgery if necessary.

That's the level of cognitive dissonance at work in much of this lobbying around transgenderism and progressive social engineering. The only way that you can believe someone is literally "born in the wrong body" is if you believe in human spirits...so God creates your as a soul and somehow a female soul ends up by accident in a male body. So I can just about get a deeply spiritual person believing it is a literal truth.

The other irony is that so many SJW's and feminists argue that men and women are socialised to be different, and that actually male and female brains are basically the same, and yet at the same time argue that we can see that a transgender woman is not a man by looking at how their brain indicates they are female. :lol:
 
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I shouldn't say "delusional fantasy." That is wrong, in some cases. But the gay equivalence is not the same thing. Gay is a behavior. Gender is a physical thing. If a man wants to claim he's a woman, that's no business of mine. If I lose my job because I don't accept that someone with a penis and testicles who has fathered a child is actually a woman just the same as my girlfriend is - that's a problem.

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Transgender is more of a behavior than a physical thing too.
 
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It's not the same. Personally, I would use the pronouns that a transgender person wanted, as it does absolutely fuck all harm to me, and I have no interest in upsetting someone for something that simply doesn't matter to my life and my experience of each day. However, the fact that "misgendering" someone can get you fired and in some cases visited by the police is ludicrous.

A gay man believes he is a man who fancies men. He is objectively correct. A man who is XY with male genitals, who feels/believes that he is a woman is objectively wrong. He may have a mental illness, it may be that some prenatal issue has wired his brain in a fashion that makes him feel "in the wrong body" but he's not female. It's a biological reality that he is not a woman.

Let's say we find out what causes this. Let's assume (as might well be the case) that it's something in prenatal development in which hormones affecting the brain go "wrong". If scientists found a way to be able to identity what causes this and how taking a tablet would ensure that anyone born would identify with the actual sex that they are, a huge body of people would oppose this and call it hateful. They would say it was akin to "finding a cure for homosexuality" and decry it as evil, and hateful of transgender people. By default, their position would be that the more loving, respectful and kind way to deal with this, would not be for the baby to be born comfortable in its body, but for it to grow up feeling it was in the wrong body and then to give it a load of drugs to help alter its body, followed by invasive surgery if necessary.

That's the level of cognitive dissonance at work in much of this lobbying around transgenderism and progressive social engineering. The only way that you can believe someone is literally "born in the wrong body" is if you believe in human spirits...so God creates your as a soul and somehow a female soul ends up by accident in a male body. So I can just about get a deeply spiritual person believing it is a literal truth.

The other irony is that so many SJW's and feminists argue that men and women are socialised to be different, and that actually male and female brains are basically the same, and yet at the same time argue that we can see that a transgender woman is not a man by looking at how their brain indicates they are female. :lol:
100 years ago, being gay was in pretty much the same boat as transgender though. It still is in some places.

Legal protections are in place for all sorts of religions that have some very weird beliefs too. I understand why they exist. Transgender is basically the same. It's just more in-your-face.
 
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100 years ago, being gay was in pretty much the same boat as transgender though. It still is in some places.

Legal protections are in place for all sorts of religions that have some very weird beliefs too. I understand why they exist. Transgender is basically the same. It's just more in-your-face.
I don't have an issue with legal protections ensuring that someone is not discriminated against, denied work etc due to who they are. But I do object to the idea that if someone asks me for my personal, entirely honest opinion and I give it, that it is grounds for losing my job, when that opinion is simply "No I don't think someone born XY with full male development is actually a woman trapped".

I would not go around telling people that opinion as a point of principle, and I sure as fuck would not feel any need not to respect a person's wish to be called by whatever name they chose and to attach the pronouns they preferred, but I should not be legally bound to do so.

For example, I am fine saying "she" and "her" for a transgender woman, but if I am not about to memorise "ze" and all the other "gender neutral" and "non binary" nonsense that has been created in the past few years. If you don't want to believe you are either male or female...fine...but to expect everyone else around to adopt some new terms that you've made up is the height of narcissism. And there has to be a logical end to that. There are 6 variants listed on "gender neutral" pronouns...so a person is supposed to learn these and then ask which form a person prefers? It's farcical.
 
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I don't have an issue with legal protections ensuring that someone is not discriminated against, denied work etc due to who they are. But I do object to the idea that if someone asks me for my personal, entirely honest opinion and I give it, that it is grounds for losing my job, when that opinion is simply "No I don't think someone born XY with full male development is actually a woman trapped".

I would not go around telling people that opinion as a point of principle, and I sure as fuck would not feel any need not to respect a person's wish to be called by whatever name they chose and to attach the pronouns they preferred, but I should not be legally bound to do so.

For example, I am fine saying "she" and "her" for a transgender woman, but if I am not about to memorise "ze" and all the other "gender neutral" and "non binary" nonsense that has been created in the past few years. If you don't want to believe you are either male or female...fine...but to expect everyone else around to adopt some new terms that you've made up is the height of narcissism. And there has to be a logical end to that. There are 6 variants listed on "gender neutral" pronouns...so a person is supposed to learn these and then ask which form a person prefers? It's farcical.
Gender pronouns are still just constructs. Whoever designed English didn't create separate gender pronouns for children, infants, the elderly, gays, etc. (It's still "he" and "she"), Transgenders are being fit into the English language which isn't designed to describe them.
 
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I don't have an issue with legal protections ensuring that someone is not discriminated against, denied work etc due to who they are. But I do object to the idea that if someone asks me for my personal, entirely honest opinion and I give it, that it is grounds for losing my job, when that opinion is simply "No I don't think someone born XY with full male development is actually a woman trapped".

I would not go around telling people that opinion as a point of principle, and I sure as fuck would not feel any need not to respect a person's wish to be called by whatever name they chose and to attach the pronouns they preferred, but I should not be legally bound to do so.

For example, I am fine saying "she" and "her" for a transgender woman, but if I am not about to memorise "ze" and all the other "gender neutral" and "non binary" nonsense that has been created in the past few years. If you don't want to believe you are either male or female...fine...but to expect everyone else around to adopt some new terms that you've made up is the height of narcissism. And there has to be a logical end to that. There are 6 variants listed on "gender neutral" pronouns...so a person is supposed to learn these and then ask which form a person prefers? It's farcical.

Exactly. It's ludicrous for fucks sake.

I was reading Kate Dillon's wiki page the other day. She's an actress. Read it, it's fucking dumb as shit. The whole page uses words like their and they. For example "Dillon identifies as pansexual, stating they are attracted to multiple genders."

They refers to multiple people right? Mother fuckers are destroying language now. Shit is ridiculous. I swear if one of my kids ends up being gay and pulls this shit I'm gonna punch them. Not because they're gay, I don't give a fuck about that, but because they're trying to change language and are concerned with inane, nonsensical bullshit.

Non gender specific pronouns, girls are the same as boys. It's dumb as hell.
 
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Gender pronouns are still just constructs. Whoever designed English didn't create separate gender pronouns for children, infants, the elderly, gays, etc. (It's still "he" and "she"), Transgenders are being fit into the English language which isn't designed to describe them.
It's designed just fine for them. Transgender people identify as a gender, the entire issue is about them identifying as a gender other than the one they were actually born as. Transgender women would want to be called she. Transgender men would want to be called he.

It's the even tinier minority of people who say they identity as neither who we're supposed to use all these others for.

But that's pure attention seeking, self absorbed crap. If they don't feel strongly that they're the opposite of what they were born then they should have no issue with just being identified by regular pronouns.

Being born female does not mean that woman has to identify with stereotypical femininity. She can have a shaved head, wear anything she likes, whatever.

But why 0.001% of the population think that the entire language and society should change to suit them over an issue that never causes them a problem with discrimination is beyond reason.

If you're transgender... you will face discrimination. If you're female or Male, perfectly happy in your body, but "don't identity as any gender" it causes no obstacles for you until you decide to create some in order to claim victim status.

Suddenly a polite person not referring to you as "ze" means you've had to battle in life like some oppressed second citizen. :lol:

It's fabricated offence for people who want to feel important and believe that they've had to struggle in life and are therefore special and brave.
 
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It's designed just fine for them. Transgender people identify as a gender, the entire issue is about them identifying as a gender other than the one they were actually born as. Transgender women would want to be called she. Transgender men would want to be called he.

It's the even tinier minority of people who say they identity as neither who we're supposed to use all these others for.

But that's pure attention seeking, self absorbed crap. If they don't feel strongly that they're the opposite of what they were born then they should have no issue with just being identified by regular pronouns.

Being born female does not mean that woman has to identify with stereotypical femininity. She can have a shaved head, wear anything she likes, whatever.

But why 0.001% of the population think that the entire language and society should change to suit them over an issue that never causes them a problem with discrimination is beyond reason.

If you're transgender... you will face discrimination. If you're female or Male, perfectly happy in your body, but "don't identity as any gender" it causes no obstacles for you until you decide to create some in order to claim victim status.

Suddenly a polite person not referring to you as "ze" means you've had to battle in life like some oppressed second citizen. :lol:

It's fabricated offence for people who want to feel important and believe that they've had to struggle in life and are therefore special and brave.
Is this thread not created by someone who doesn’t want to make a totally benign and easy workplace adjustment for a transgender?
 
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Exactly. It's ludicrous for fucks sake.

I was reading Kate Dillon's wiki page the other day. She's an actress. Read it, it's fucking dumb as shit. The whole page uses words like their and they. For example "Dillon identifies as pansexual, stating they are attracted to multiple genders."

They refers to multiple people right? Mother fuckers are destroying language now. Shit is ridiculous. I swear if one of my kids ends up being gay and pulls this shit I'm gonna punch them. Not because they're gay, I don't give a fuck about that, but because they're trying to change language and are concerned with inane, nonsensical bullshit.

Non gender specific pronouns, girls are the same as boys. It's dumb as hell.
Yeah, fucking pansexual...:lol: So...erm you fancy men and women...bisexual then. Funny how all of this has blown up in the richest, most developed nations with high levels of equality entrenched in law. People who want to feel special and important can't hack the fact that they grew up with so much on their plate, and so many opportunities that shit... let's just make up some new niche that allows me to have had it tough too.

I'd love to see the proportion of "gender fluid" people that are middle class and above as opposed from the poorest, most dangerous places in any country.

I've got a feeling that those who actually did grow up hugely disadvantaged, in drug addiction riddled families with rampant crime around them will be far less inclined to want to be called "ze" than the kid from a nice wealthy background who never went without.
 
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Yeah, fucking pansexual...:lol: So...erm you fancy men and women...bisexual then. Funny how all of this has blown up in the richest, most developed nations with high levels of equality entrenched in law. People who want to feel special and important can't hack the fact that they grew up with so much on their plate, and so many opportunities that shit... let's just make up some new niche that allows me to have had it tough too.

I'd love to see the proportion of "gender fluid" people that are middle class and above as opposed from the poorest, most dangerous places in any country.

I've got a feeling that those who actually did grow up hugely disadvantaged, in drug addiction riddled families with rampant crime around them will be far less inclined to want to be called "ze" than the kid from a nice wealthy background who never went without.
You're exactly right. They WANT to feel oppressed so they can be special too. It's pathetic.
 
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Is this thread not created by someone who doesn’t want to make a totally benign and easy workplace adjustment for a transgender?
It is, but that's his problem and his anger at using language that exists. The language works just fine for the transgender person at his work, provided people will use it.

That person doesn't need "ze" they just need people to not give a shit about using "she" when it has no impact on their life.
 

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It is, but that's his problem and his anger at using language that exists. The language works just fine for the transgender person at his work, provided people will use it.

That person doesn't need "ze" they just need people to not give a shit about using "she" when it has no impact on their life.
*Anger of getting in trouble if the wrong term is used.

I work at a UC. These places are full of transgenders, and everyone else up the LGBTQIA+ platform. It's actually not that bad at all and you totally get used to it. But unlike hazza's experience, this took over a decade of outreach, subtle conformity, gatherings, teaching, etc. before embracing people's preferred lifestyles was made out to be the norm. I love to troll here but I really have no problem with it myself, however in my experience this wasn't an overnight "YOU WILL DO THIS OR YOU WILL BE REPRIMANDED!" thing like it sounds like hazza's was. Any of us who come from civilized voting democratic nations might have an issue with this, because this was something that's not been voted on by the people, but it could affect your employment or freedoms if you are accused of misusing someone's preferred pronoun or whatnot. This sounds like it's just pushed onto people with no warning. And that, to be quite honest, is total bullshit.
 
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well he's on the other crew so thank fuck I never see the bloke.

thing is, if it is my natural reaction to recoil in disgust at seeing a cross dressing 58 year old man with tits, how can that be my fault.

fact is this bloke now has everyone walking on eggshells and he knows it.

I've said repeatedly, this guy is a troublemaker and I say its all an act to get a compo payout.

unless he gets actual surgery, ie dick off, vagina on, then its complete bullshit.
Is this him?