What’s the maximum length the state should reasonably be expected to pay unemployment benefit?

Unemployment benefit should be paid for

  • 0 - Abolish it

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • 1 week

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • 1 month

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • 3 months

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • 6 months

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • 1 year

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • 2 years

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Indefinitely

    Votes: 16 47.1%

  • Total voters
    34

Ernest Shackleton

Moderate Assadist
Jun 8, 2013
16,511
6,520
3 months?

Is it really the states responsiblity to provide dole money indefinitely if the jobs are out there?
 
May 25, 2013
7,522
4,110
Depends upon why they are seeking unemployment benefit.

There's this false idea that there's loads of people on unemployment benefit for years. The facts don't back up that assumption.

Those that are regarded as long term unemployed by the government are classified as anyone on this benefit for more than 6 months. Off all the people on unemployment benefits that latest statistics say only 0.9% of these are long term unemployed and these will included people who have disabilities or illnesses that will prevent them from working.

Fact is we pay our taxes for a reason, it's so in case we do find ourselves unemployed we have a safety net. If you've paid into the system you should expect the system to cough up when shit goes wrong.
 
May 8, 2013
8,918
3,863
Depends on how long they have worked and how much they have paid into the system, as well as reason for unemployment status IMO.

Some guy who worked for 20 years and has paid a shitload of taxes should get more than some dude who worked for a few months and got fired for being drunk at work or something.
 
May 23, 2013
8,493
1,082
tahiti
Depends on how long they have worked and how much they have paid into the system, as well as reason for unemployment status IMO.

Some guy who worked for 20 years and has paid a shitload of taxes should get more than some dude who worked for a few months and got fired for being drunk at work or something.
Overhere iT works like that.
With a maximum of 2 years. After that and you still have no job you receive social security

The amount of unemployment money you get is 70% of you’re last earned salary
 

Jack

P4P Star
Jul 29, 2012
9,075
3,516
I have no issue with it being indefinite but what I do think should happen is that when a person can work, wants to work and has been unable to find a job for over a year, they should then become part of a community service workload that does menial council jobs, such as litter picking, basic gardening, removing graffiti etc.. If society is paying these people something to live on, it's only fair for their to be some return on that, but I also think that the worst thing people can do when looking for work is be inactive; getting out there, meeting people, actually working for your money and so on, is very beneficial to the mind so it should be encouraged.
 

Davvers

That's a Davvers promise!!!
May 24, 2013
4,382
1,572
There is a bloke in my street that hasn't worked a day in my lifetime and he is nearly 60. He has a bad back apparently. He spends most of his day walking his alsatian, driving about, or working on a motorbike restoration project that him and a retired friend are doing together. But he can't work.

If he was from Romania or somewhere where being a dosser wasn't a lifestyle option, I often wonder what he'd do. Either way he'd soon find a way to make some money no doubt. He would drive taxis or pour pints or something, cut chicken's heads off in the factory. But he has zero inclination to do that in this country.
 
Jul 23, 2017
1,323
931
31
About equal to the amount of time the employee was employed before being laid off.
 

Ronsonfly

Toxic White Male
May 8, 2013
8,752
12,169
In a deplorable basket
They should operate a NINO and PIPO system.

NINO=Nothing In Nothing Out.

PIPO=Paid In Pay Out

And PIPO should absolutely be earnings related and prior contribution based. There should be a minimum level with additional increments dependent upon individual circumstances.
A single higher earner who's paid higher tax and NI for many years should get more money than some greasy haired, single mother benefit monkey cunt who has never worked a day in its life and who goes to buy its Superkings and Diamond White at Londis at 2pm still wearing dressing gown and slippers.
 

Setanta

BAD MOTHERFUCKER
May 24, 2013
8,046
3,327
Emain Macha
One possible method...

Have it like an insurance scheme. Every worker would pay let's say, 7 or 8 % of their salary into the Unemployment Insurance Fund.

After a minimum of a year on the job, If they become redundant and remained redundant for at least a month , they would collect maybe 65 - 70 % of their salary from the fund with a cap of 18 months to 2 years. If still unemployed, they would then become welfare cases and be paid the bare minimum to keep body and soul together.

There could be a longer waiting period, say 6 months, for the Unemployment benefit if the worker was fired for good cause.


The percentages and time periods could be adjusted based on actuarial calculations.
 
May 19, 2013
17,668
7,154
Depends upon why they are seeking unemployment benefit.

There's this false idea that there's loads of people on unemployment benefit for years. The facts don't back up that assumption.

Those that are regarded as long term unemployed by the government are classified as anyone on this benefit for more than 6 months. Off all the people on unemployment benefits that latest statistics say only 0.9% of these are long term unemployed and these will included people who have disabilities or illnesses that will prevent them from working.

Fact is we pay our taxes for a reason, it's so in case we do find ourselves unemployed we have a safety net. If you've paid into the system you should expect the system to cough up when shit goes wrong.
Agreed.

The vast vast vast majority use it for the right reasons.

I've never claimed the dole, but if I need it, I dont want a defined period in which I can only get paid after paying year after year of taxes.
 
May 19, 2013
17,668
7,154
Depends on how long they have worked and how much they have paid into the system, as well as reason for unemployment status IMO.

Some guy who worked for 20 years and has paid a shitload of taxes should get more than some dude who worked for a few months and got fired for being drunk at work or something.
Also a good idea
 

SwollenGoat

Deicide
May 17, 2013
61,001
20,845
The House that Peterbilt
One possible method...

Have it like an insurance scheme. Every worker would pay let's say, 7 or 8 % of their salary into the Unemployment Insurance Fund.

After a minimum of a year on the job, If they become redundant and remained redundant for at least a month , they would collect maybe 65 - 70 % of their salary from the fund with a cap of 18 months to 2 years. If still unemployed, they would then become welfare cases and be paid the bare minimum to keep body and soul together.

There could be a longer waiting period, say 6 months, for the Unemployment benefit if the worker was fired for good cause.


The percentages and time periods could be adjusted based on actuarial calculations.
no

how about the folks who have fixed the economy in such a way that it REQUIRES an unemployed/underemployed underclass pay to ensure the 'system' they've designed actually works for all of us and not just them?
 

Setanta

BAD MOTHERFUCKER
May 24, 2013
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Emain Macha
no

how about the folks who have fixed the economy in such a way that it REQUIRES an unemployed/underemployed underclass pay to ensure the 'system' they've designed actually works for all of us and not just them?

That would be a more ambitious project and would require a paradigm shift, not to mention an ideological awakening not currently on the horizon, even of those who would most benefit.
 

SwollenGoat

Deicide
May 17, 2013
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That would be a more ambitious project and would require a paradigm shift, not to mention an ideological awakening not currently on the horizon, even of those who would most benefit.
This is the inequality that triggered the French revolution: the richest 10% owning 60% of the wealth. In today's America on the other hand, the richest 10% hold about 70% of the wealth.


 
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Setanta

BAD MOTHERFUCKER
May 24, 2013
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This is the inequality that triggered the French revolution: the richest 10% owning 60% of the wealth. In today's America on the other hand, the richest 10% hold about 70% of the wealth.



You're probably familiar with the idea of the parson preaching to the choir ?
 

SwollenGoat

Deicide
May 17, 2013
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20,845
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You're probably familiar with the idea of the parson preaching to the choir ?
eat them too.....................

IMAGINE living in an era where the working classes have been convinced by the elite that everything is fine despite the fact it took less for illiterate peasants to break out the fucking guillotine?

our resident trumptards keep harping on and on about how 'great' the fucking economy is,utterly blind to the fact that its working for the 1%,not them,and they continue to vote for the boot on their neck because 'fuck da libtards'.........

its revolting

75% of this nation lives paycheck to paycheck but,hey,'unemployment' is low and the stock market is doing great so all is well..............

they cant imagine NOT crawling for crumbs...........
 

Setanta

BAD MOTHERFUCKER
May 24, 2013
8,046
3,327
Emain Macha
eat them too.....................

IMAGINE living in an era where the working classes have been convinced by the elite that everything is fine despite the fact it took less for illiterate peasants to break out the fucking guillotine?

our resident trumptards keep harping on and on about how 'great' the fucking economy is,utterly blind to the fact that its working for the 1%,not them,and they continue to vote for the boot on their neck because 'fuck da libtards'.........

its revolting

75% of this nation lives paycheck to paycheck but,hey,'unemployment' is low and the stock market is doing great so all is well..............

they cant imagine NOT crawling for crumbs...........

I think you must have mistaken me for one of the donald's minions.

Like I said, preaching to the choir, mostly.