What’s the maximum length the state should reasonably be expected to pay unemployment benefit?

Unemployment benefit should be paid for

  • 0 - Abolish it

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • 1 week

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • 1 month

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • 3 months

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • 6 months

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • 1 year

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • 2 years

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Indefinitely

    Votes: 16 47.1%

  • Total voters
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May 25, 2013
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Also, as far as tax credits go i would take em away from all the somaliana n Pakistanis who have never worked. Then send em back. The properties would then be sold of to the young working class british whites, who are indigenous to these shores.

Now that, ladies n gentlemen is real white privilege!!!!
I agree all those getting tax credits should have it taken away from them if they've never worked.

I agree because you get "working" tax credits you need to be working, lol. So those getting tax credits and not working are literally a big fat 0 drain on the treasury because they don't exist.

But don't let the facts or logic get in the way of your racist rant, please keep going.
 

Jack McW

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I agree all those getting tax credits should have it taken away from them if they've never worked.

I agree because you get "working" tax credits you need to be working, lol. So those getting tax credits and not working are literally a big fat 0 drain on the treasury because they don't exist.

But don't let the facts or logic get in the way of your racist rant, please keep going.
Ye we shudnt subsidise some burkha baby mamma who does some measely 16hr a week job to get tax credits, whilst her husband abdullahi is registered as living elsewhere driving every hour god sends in an uber. Despite the fact hes back at home every night. It’s happening up n down the uk and its got to stop.
 

Haggis

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Yeah, also isn’t it something like 80 odd % of people claiming benefits are in work? The fact that wages are so low that the tax payer need to fund them, never gets brought up by people like @Jack, or if it does it’s lip service before they goes on another multiple paragraph rant about dossers and scrounging smack heads.
Saw that over and over again when I was a benefits agent. Person needs a benefit, but they already have a job. They work at a big box store, and their employer only gives them 24 hours a week at minimum wage.

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Yes. 70% with a maximum of about €70.000 (on a yearly basis). But also with a maximum of 6 months.

Remember, I’ve paid a shitload into the system, but for me it’s no safety net whatsoever, whereas it is with people in the lower wage classes.

For example. Someone who makes €100.000 and losses his job and gets €36.000, he’s up shit creek without a paddle.

So double the maximum, but only 6 months, then you’re on your own.
I could agree with that but then not such short term for the blue collar people.
A 61 years old construction Guy won’t easily find a new job.

As for you paying shitloads more in the system.
Thats how iT should work the bigger the shoulders the heavier the burden.
I pay more then a busdriver or a Guy in construction cause i earn more you earn more then me (maybe/probably) so you pay more then me.
Thats society the weak contribute less the better situated contribute more and we all prosper..

If rich cunts don’t want this (or usa situation where filthy rich barely pay) then abbandon society as a whole.
But then the working class simply takes what they want from the rich
 

Jack

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Yeah, also isn’t it something like 80 odd % of people claiming benefits are in work? The fact that wages are so low that the tax payer need to fund them, never gets brought up by people like @Jack, or if it does it’s lip service before they goes on another multiple paragraph rant about dossers and scrounging smack heads.
Nonsense, I've said several times that I believe that the national wage should go up and I have nothing against people working and receiving benefits at the same time. I'm a firm believer in there being a social security net, I think we should be generous and put things in place that encourage a healthy workforce. What shouldn't ever happen are things like the benefits trap - and this happened to a member of my family - where people literally lose thousands of pounds by working as opposed to if they'd just taken benefits. The fact that something like that can happen is a disgrace, which is why I strongly support things like the child tax credit because we need to incentivize work.

The reason I never bring it up is because it's irrelevant, they're two seperate issues. I don't believe in the boring, false left wing claims like "people need food banks" and the deflection from personal responsibility to the responsibility of government, which is what I will attack. I don't have an issue with people in work claiming money, I don't have issue with people taking benefits for maternity or disabled people getting them etc.. That's absolutely fine, I'm not attacking that, I'm attacking the system that supports people making terrible lifestryle choices and those people who think we need to be even more generous in order to fix the problem because it's simply untrue. That doesn't mean I'm wholly against benefits and, like I said, I'm strongly in favour of a social security net.

As a general rule, we should be supporting those who want to contribute and making it harder for those who don't. We offer a massive amount of support for people who do have good intentions, which is absolutely right, but we shouldn't make things easier for those people who are too lazy to contribute or make lifestyle choices that make it impossible.
 
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Haggis

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Nonsense, I've said several times that I believe that the national wage should go up and I have nothing against people working and receiving benefits at the same time. I'm a firm believer in there being a social security net, I think we should be generous and put things in place that encourage a healthy workforce. What shouldn't ever happen are things like the benefits trap - and this happened to a member of my family - where people literally lose thousands of pounds by working as opposed to if they'd just taken benefits. The fact that something like that can happen is a disgrace, which is why I strongly support things like the child tax credit because we need to incentivize work.

The reason I never bring it up is because it's irrelevant, they're two seperate issues. I don't believe in the boring, false left wing claims like "people need food banks" and the deflection from personal responsibility to the responsibility of government, which is what I will attack. I don't have an issue with people in work claiming money, I don't have issue with people taking benefits for maternity or disabled people getting them etc.. That's absolutely fine, I'm not attacking that, I'm attacking the system that supports people making terrible lifestryle choices and those people who think we need to be even more generous in order to fix the problem because it's simply untrue. That doesn't mean I'm wholly against benefits and, like I said, I'm strongly in favour of a social security net.

As a general rule, we should be supporting those who want to contribute and making it harder for those who don't. We offer a massive amount of support for people who do have good intentions, which is absolutely right, but we shouldn't make things easier for those people who are too lazy to contribute or make lifestyle choices that make it impossible.
Didn't you say you were against jobseekers getting a grant to buy a shirt, pants and shoes for an interview?

:hat
 

Jack

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Only 0.9% of people on universal credit or JSA as you call it are unemployed for more than 6 months and most of them will be disabled or have long term debilitating health conditions. Stop falling for the BS that there are armies of unemployed just sitting on their arse for years. While there are no doubt some they will likely be so few it's not that significant. I mean of the 0.9% of unemployed how many you think are taking the piss? 10 percent? So that 0.09% of the unemployed in an era where we have very low unemployment numbers.
People dislike Universal Credit because it's made it harder to rinse the system unlike in the Labour days, but what isn't reflected in those numbers are the people who will falsify injury in order to avoid work, which is a significant problem. All you have to do to understand the 'disability' issue is to speak to someone who works for the government and ask them about fibromyalgia. I have two relatives who work in this position and they joke about how many people now ring up to claim and say they have fibromyalgia, and how it's the new "bad back". Why? Because you can't medically disprove that somsone doesn't have a bad back or fibromyalgia, so it's a massively exploited issue. The fact is, if you wanted to stop working and start receiving benefits, you could quite easily get on the sick just by lying about it, so when looking at the people who are exploiting the system, you can't just stop at 0.09% of those on Universal Credit for more than 6 months, it's clearly not the case.
 
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Haggis

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All you have to do to understand the 'disability' issue is to speak to someone who works for the government
I used to work for the government as a benefits case manager.

I can tell you that the vast majority of beneficiaries want to work.

:hat
 

Jack

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Didn't you say you were against jobseekers getting a grant to buy a shirt, pants and shoes for an interview?

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I'm not against it, I think people should be supported when looking for work. What I was saying is that the idea that we just give people enough to live on and no more is clearly false, we offer a lot of support to people in this country.

If you moved here and had no skills, couldn't even speak the language or anything like that, you could quite easily get a job within 6 months. You'd be given help every step of the way, from the basic such as them paying for a taxi or public transport to get there, to writing a CV, buying your uniform, putting you on courses to make you a better candidate, getting you a smart outfit for an interview and so on. It's all covered. Rightly so too, I think, but the left pretend that this help isn't there when it is.
 
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Jack

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I used to work for the government as a benefits case manager.

I can tell you that the vast majority of beneficiaries want to work.

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Good, that's how it should be. Out of curiosity, do you have an issue with people claiming for firbomyalgia?

Unfortunately, I've known a fair few people who have worked for the government in varying roles who haven't said the same thing. Like I said though, I'm not against benefits, I just think we should be generous to those who want to contribute and harsher on those who don't.
 

Dazl1212

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Universal credit is an absolute disgrace. So my daughter was born in August and I started uni in September and I get a maintainance loan. Anyways, my missus works but is on reduced pay as she's on maternity and everyone said go and apply for working tax credits, which we did. So they pay us for a few months and I get a phone call asking me to "confirm my income" turns out under the new universal credit were not entitled to jack shit, because I get a maintainance loan. Which would be fine but now we're in debt to the tune of £2000. All because I wanted a bit of financial help while I found a part time job.

Now I wouldn't be too arsed about not being allowed anything (granted I've paid tax nearly 20 fucking years, practically non stop) but I'm well pissed off that I owe them money for their mistake. Not to mention everyone on the old system gets tax credits.
 
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People dislike Universal Credit because it's made it harder to rinse the system unlike in the Labour days, but what isn't reflected in those numbers are the people who will falsify injury in order to avoid work, which is a significant problem. All you have to do to understand the 'disability' issue is to speak to someone who works for the government and ask them about fibromyalgia. I have two relatives who work in this position and they joke about how many people now ring up to claim and say they have fibromyalgia, and how it's the new "bad back". Why? Because you can't medically disprove that somsone doesn't have a bad back or fibromyalgia, so it's a massively exploited issue. The fact is, if you wanted to stop working and start receiving benefits, you could quite easily get on the sick just by lying about it, so when looking at the people who are exploiting the system, you can't just stop at 0.09% of those on Universal Credit for more than 6 months, it's clearly not the case.
Nah your spouting a load of conjecture to fit your point of view. People are not upset over UC because it's harder to rinse the system, they are upset over it because it's fucking people over in vast numbers. Hence why 65% of UC credit appeals are successful.

Even Ian Duncan Smith who as the works and pensions secretary rolled out UC turned his back on this system due to how it's under funded and putting people into greater poverty. I mean why is there a 13-14 week waiting period with no benefits while they switch people over? No reason why they couldn't keep paying people the benefits they are already getting while making a decision but instead they cut benefits entirely for 3 months so the government can either save some money by not paying entitled benefits or hope people find work in the mean time, but those truly unable to work like the sick and disabled get fucked over in the mean time.

Yes there's no test for Fibromyalgia but that doesn't mean what you think it does. For example there's no test for Parkinson's either but that doesn't mean people are faking Parkinsons. There are symptoms with Fibromyalgia which cannot be faked such as swelling of the joints. Even if they don't have Fibromyalgia it would mean they either have rheumatoid arthritis, ME or MS and then still be entitled to benefits. So saying people are using Fibromyalgia to con the system are quite frankly spouting shit to suit their point of view that these people are work shy and looking to cheat the system instead of actually getting what they are deserve to help them through a difficult time and also Fibromyalgia doesn't even prevent people from working even if they do have it, it means taking some things into consideration and also making work place adjustments but no reason why they could not keep working.

I know from first hand experience how fucked our benefits system is right now. My mother had her UC cut because she didn't register online, she wasn't told she has to do this and has never used a computer in her life. She also since going onto UC lost any benefits helping her with her housing leaving her hundreds of pounds worse off each month, her UC payment doesn't even cover her rent. The reason she lost any housing benefit is because she has a spare bedroom, yes the infamous spare bedroom tax which UK courts deemed illegal but is awaiting a supreme court ruling so is still in effect. Now of course you could say she could move to another property without a spare room and then get those benefits back. Well guess what she's trying that but even with her Parkinson's she is not a priority to rehouse despite being trapped in the 3rd floor flat she cannot physically leave, which is a contravention of her human rights, but hey when has that ever bothered this government. She's desperate to move, not because she'll get her housing benefit back but she would like to actually go out once in a while, she has only left her flat twice in the last year, once to get a diagnosis for her Parkinsons from a Neurologist at the hospital and once for my fathers funeral, both occasions she needed to be physically carried down the stairs which obviously isn't possible day to day.

So you can spout all the BS you like the facts and my experience do not match your opinion on this matter.
 
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Universal credit is an absolute disgrace. So my daughter was born in August and I started uni in September and I get a maintainance loan. Anyways, my missus works but is on reduced pay as she's on maternity and everyone said go and apply for working tax credits, which we did. So they pay us for a few months and I get a phone call asking me to "confirm my income" turns out under the new universal credit were not entitled to jack shit, because I get a maintainance loan. Which would be fine but now we're in debt to the tune of £2000. All because I wanted a bit of financial help while I found a part time job.

Now I wouldn't be too arsed about not being allowed anything (granted I've paid tax nearly 20 fucking years, practically non stop) but I'm well pissed off that I owe them money for their mistake. Not to mention everyone on the old system gets tax credits.
The whole system is rigged now to fuck you over. When my mother applied for PIP she specifically asked for a home assessment as she physically could leave her home to get to an outside appointment. I fucking highlighted this twice on the form but did they fucking do that, like fuck they did, they twice tried to get her to an outside appointment and so delayed the decision to get PIP. She can't even go to the toilet without assistance but apparently she could get down 2 flights of stairs onto a bus or a taxi and get to an appointment not even in the same fucking city. I had to get her social worker to intervene.

That and her experience with UC has me believing the government has put all these little ways to stop paying you benefits or delaying a decision so they can save money. It's a fucking disgrace, wasn't like this before when I helped them apply for benefits.
 

Wordup

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So you can spout all the BS you like the facts and my experience do not match your opinion on this matter.
It's just utter crap, like most of the selfish righties, he's not got the balls to just say what he thinks. They just hide behind verbose, longwinded essays to mask their contempt for those less fortunate than them.
 

TFG

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I was going to provide a more long winded and detailed retort to his post, but that pretty much sums up what I was going to say, lmao.
Yep, it's not even worth the time, simply another vile post that pretends to be intelligent and balanced. I might unpack it later if I can be arsed but you are correct.

Let's just hope nothing ever happens to him that could lead him to making bad decisions in his life, and I'm presuming he didn't grow up in a violent household with smackheads parents either. The lack of perspective he has is actually frightening.

Apparently I want to remove all forms of accountability because I repeated facts that proves the benefit system is not too generous...but how can that be when we provide free dental and education to children!? How do you even respond to that?
 

Dazl1212

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The whole system is rigged now to fuck you over. When my mother applied for PIP she specifically asked for a home assessment as she physically could leave her home to get to an outside appointment. I fucking highlighted this twice on the form but did they fucking do that, like fuck they did, they twice tried to get her to an outside appointment and so delayed the decision to get PIP. She can't even go to the toilet without assistance but apparently she could get down 2 flights of stairs onto a bus or a taxi and get to an appointment not even in the same fucking city. I had to get her social worker to intervene.

That and her experience with UC has me believing the government has put all these little ways to stop paying you benefits or delaying a decision so they can save money. It's a fucking disgrace, wasn't like this before when I helped them apply for benefits.
What has happened to me sucks big time, but what you have outlined above is a stain on this country. Honestly shit like this shouldn't happen and if I'm being honest, and I completely hold my hands up here, the way I and people like me were back then, used to complain about people on benefits have enabled this utter shit show.

I've read some ridiculous stuff about this pip shit, it really shouldn't happen. Not when someone's got Parkinsons or anything like that especially. Christ on a bike.
 

Broxi

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Universal credit is an absolute disgrace. So my daughter was born in August and I started uni in September and I get a maintainance loan. Anyways, my missus works but is on reduced pay as she's on maternity and everyone said go and apply for working tax credits, which we did. So they pay us for a few months and I get a phone call asking me to "confirm my income" turns out under the new universal credit were not entitled to jack shit, because I get a maintainance loan. Which would be fine but now we're in debt to the tune of £2000. All because I wanted a bit of financial help while I found a part time job.

Now I wouldn't be too arsed about not being allowed anything (granted I've paid tax nearly 20 fucking years, practically non stop) but I'm well pissed off that I owe them money for their mistake. Not to mention everyone on the old system gets tax credits.
They're absolute cunts mate and it's always the way that you'll end up paying for their mistakes.

Just before Christmas, my sis-in-law, single with 3 kids had an issue with whatever benefits she was entitled to, they had fucked up at the office and she never got paid her money through, so instead of back dating it and paying out the next day, they told her that she would need to wait till the next payment date and they'll just back-date it then ... they expected a single mum on benefits with 3 kids to have the cash to last out the month till the next pay, her phone was cut off, her internet was cut off, she had no food in the fridge, no money for leccy ... a month or so out from Christmas.

Thankfully some group that deals with cases like this got a hold of it and sent her emergency loans and vouchers to see her through... even dropped off care packs with clothes, toys for Xmas and the like, got the kids free tickets to some show that was on...

But they do shit like that all the time, they're like fucking robots who can't understand common sense and go by what their system tells them tot he letter.
 
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They're absolute cunts mate and it's always the way that you'll end up paying for their mistakes.

Just before Christmas, my sis-in-law, single with 3 kids had an issue with whatever benefits she was entitled to, they had fucked up at the office and she never got paid her money through, so instead of back dating it and paying out the next day, they told her that she would need to wait till the next payment date and they'll just back-date it then ... they expected a single mum on benefits with 3 kids to have the cash to last out the month till the next pay, her phone was cut off, her internet was cut off, she had no food in the fridge, no money for leccy ... a month or so out from Christmas.

Thankfully some group that deals with cases like this got a hold of it and sent her emergency loans and vouchers to see her through... even dropped off care packs with clothes, toys for Xmas and the like, got the kids free tickets to some show that was on...

But they do shit like that all the time, they're like fucking robots who can't understand common sense and go by what their system tells them tot he letter.
Exactly the same thing happened to my mother. They didn't pay her Decembers UC, said they would pay it the next payment date the following month, guess what they haven't they fucked it up again. Hopefully they'll pay next month but I doubt it.

She's fortunate she has me to financially assist her when this happened and also when they cut all her benefits off and had to wait 3 months for UC to be approved.

I assume many people don't have family that can bail them out and they end up in debt which of course means they have to make repayments which for someone not on much money to start with is very difficult.
 
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Broxi

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Exactly the same thing happened to my mother. They didn't pay her Decembers UC, said they would pay it the next payment date the following month, guess what they haven't they fucked it up again. Hopefully they'll pay next month but I doubt it.

She's fortunate she has me to financially assist her when this happened and also when they cut all her benefits off and had to wait 3 months for UC to be approved.

I assume many people don't have family that can bail them out and they end up in debt which of course means they have to make repayments which for someone not on much money to start with is very difficult.
I dread to think what the girl would have done if she never had her family and extended family to help, 3 kids, no car, no cash and the heating going off.

I can't remember the name of the group which helped her out but they've been a God-send. The benefits lot do other dumb shit to her too, like ask her to attend meetings at 14:00 pm when she has little kids to pick up from school or ask her to take jobs on that she couldn't possibly balance with watching the kids too... and before any cunt says it, it isn't her fault her long term boyfriend was a prick who moved out and has cut off all contact with his kids and refuses to pay anything towards them.

The stuff with your mum rings very true for me too, my mum worked all her days but for the past 10-15 years has had arthritis, she's always struggled with dangerously high blood pressure, water retention in her legs (linked to bp medication), can barely get about and it took years to get her moved out the council flat she was in with the scumbag neighbours above her partying all night.

Thankfully she finally got moved to a little one bed bungalow and is in a much better place.

I've had a lifetime dealing with these bastards in one way or another and watching them treat my mother the way they do when she's worked her arse off in kitchens all her days really does sicken me. You could work for 20 years, fall on hard times and have to sign on and they'll still treat you like a scrounger. I hope never to have to rely on that again.