What does Lomachenko have to do to be all time Top Ten-er?

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Best amateur record in history - 396/1 (avenged defeat twice).
Double Olympic Gold - seemed to dominate everyone in both.
Three weight champion beaten - Russell Jr, Martinez, Crolla, Rigondeaux, Pedraza, Linares and Walters (7 current/former world champions).

Does he have the opponents to become a top ten fighter?

How far would he have to go up? 140? 147?
 
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Firstly, I don't think his amateur credentials matter all that much when ranking his pro career.

To put his number of wins against current/former 'world' champions into perspective, Pacquiao has 24 -- and he generally isn't considered close to being a top 10 fighter.

He would have to do something extraordinary -- like clearing out the current welterweight division -- to even have a chance of being in the discussion.
 
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What’s the opinion of Loma today? I’m hearing everything from overrated to the most complete boxer in history.

I’ve just watched all of his winning fights and I have genuinely never seen anything like him before. Just a shame he’s not a bigger man.

Hate or hero-worship. What’s the CHB opinion on him?
 
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What’s the opinion of Loma today? I’m hearing everything from overrated to the most complete boxer in history.

I’ve just watched all of his winning fights and I have genuinely never seen anything like him before. Just a shame he’s not a bigger man.

Hate or hero-worship. What’s the CHB opinion on him?
Very unique, once-in-a-lifetime fighter. But regarding the original question - he'll never be top 10 in the pro's: too short a career and lack of quality/name opponents.

I will say that most seem to vastly underestimate the ease with which he beats (and KO's) much bigger opponents.
 
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Great fighter. Almost impossible to be a top 10 atg pfp in the pros.


Doesn't have the time, the opponents, or the schedule. I also think he looks a bit jaded these days.
 
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Fantastic fighter, joy to watch. Overrated imo, but I wouldn't argue with anybody about it.
@Dealt_with will be by soon probably.
similar, single move there but Lomachenko has been crafted since he could barely walk and produces movement with aggression like I’ve personally never witnessed before.

BTW, Ray Leonard is my favourite fighter. Prime Pac and young Floyd were special too.
 
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Very unique, once-in-a-lifetime fighter. But regarding the original question - he'll never be top 10 in the pro's: too short a career and lack of quality/name opponents.

I will say that most seem to vastly underestimate the ease with which he beats (and KO's) much bigger opponents.
Can a fighter be gauged on what he can do with what’s put in front of him? I mean, does he need a 15 year pro career, or fight opponents 6 times a year.
He’s beaten some great, unbeaten fighters. In fact he’s not only beaten them, he’s destroyed them. The look on the faces of great fighters like Rigondeaux, Walters and Russell, was pretty frightening. They literally were broken and that must count for something?

World champion on third pro fight. Two-weights in 7. Three in 12. Impressive, regardless.
 
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Considering the long history of boxing , and the number of legends that have passed through this sport.

Would be pretty difficult to become a consensus top ten.

Only one who came close in the last 30 years was Roy Jones jr. He was virtually in the top ten of almost all pundits. When he beat John Ruiz. Had he retired at that time he would have been.

Then everything went pear shape for him.
 
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Is a great role model for any aspiring boxer. The years of sacrifice and thousands of hours of practice. Unfortunately very few have the kind of discipline.

When it comes to discipline he is in a very exclusive club. Only others in recent years with the same dedication have been. Bernard Hopkins, and Floyd Mayweather.
 

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similar, single move there but Lomachenko has been crafted since he could barely walk and produces movement with aggression like I’ve personally never witnessed before.

BTW, Ray Leonard is my favourite fighter. Prime Pac and young Floyd were special too.
Probably deserves its own thread, but here's a video of the guy.
 
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People can believe whatever they want, but anybody who understands boxing can see who the best ever is to this point. It’s not even close, Roy Jones knows.
 
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Great fighter. Almost impossible to be a top 10 atg pfp in the pros.


Doesn't have the time, the opponents, or the schedule. I also think he looks a bit jaded these days.
Not sure I agree with the jaded bit. But I certainly agree with you outside of that. All time top 10 calls for many ticks in many boxes and Loma simply isn't going to accumulate enough of them.
 
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Not sure I agree with the jaded bit. But I certainly agree with you outside of that. All time top 10 calls for many ticks in many boxes and Loma simply isn't going to accumulate enough of them.
Fair enough. I don't think he is as motivated as he once was, and is going through the motions a bit.

That might be down to the competition though. He might perk up with the right challenge.
 
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