What does Lomachenko need to do to be considered an all-time great?

thegee

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Here we go, personally I don"t think Lomo will ever become an ATG. Regards Mervyn The Gee
 

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Pedderrs was the only one giving Linares prior to the fight, as I recall. He was never really elite, but he was always talented with some exceptional offensive skills. He was legitimately the top guy at 135 in Mikey's absence. A world class fighter, and an excellent win for a smaller man moving up in weight. Especially considering the nature of the victory, as Loma's power was often scoffed at.
I don't recall giving Linares 'shiz' (sorry, I am at work). I simply wanted to make it clear that he isn't what I would call a great fighter and his history of being stopped on numerous occasions is indicative of that. He's been king of a pretty poor division, having tough fights with Kevin Mitchell and Luke Campbell. Good fighters, but if you're struggling at that level, then you have your work cut out against Lomachenko. Just wanted to reject the narrative that this was two of the very best going at it. It really wasn't that if we're being honest.

You're talking out of you're arse here mate. Linares is universally accepted as being a world class fighter. To say otherwise is just hating. And deficiencies? Show me one top class fighter that never got hit or had a tough night at the office.
King Boxer summed up Linares better than anyone else I've seen so far, so I will quote him. This is how I feel about Linares.

Everyone.

Linares has always been overrated. He was getting overrated by a few people that had him in the top 10 P4P for unifying in the (for what it has seemed like forever) weak lightweight division.

Technically skilled, athletically gifted and aesthetically pleasing, his physical and mental weaknesses (glass chin/skin/body and brain) will never allow him to step above that level of being good to great.

Mikey is a better/greater fighter no question. But he doesn't offer the same match up stylistically. Bigger, harder puncher, seems physically and mentally sturdy, a more disciplined boxer-puncher/counter puncher than Linares. He isn't as quick of hand or feet as either Loma/Linares and fights at a slower pace/workrate. And despite his move ups in weight, never been much of a physical fighter, preferring to fight at range. I give the edge to Loma but I wouldn't be surprised nor be mad if the concensus has Mikey as the favourite. It's looks like a career defining fight for the both of em at this point in their careers.
 
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Avatar bet on Loma vs Mikey? I thought you'd never ask, my dude. Redemption!!
I'd happily take it. I guess the year on your avatar will almost be up by the time they would fight so...

You that confident on a Mikey win? Genuine question.
 

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@Marlow, he as only just started and lost one out of Eleven. The man you are ridiculing for losing 19,had a record of 174-19-6, 109 by K/O. Started fighting in4/10/40 and had 40 unbeaten fights until Lamotta beat him on 5/3/45, then had a run of NINETY fights unbeaten. , and fought until he was 44yrs old. How you can possibly even think of Lomo in the same league is a joke. Regardsa Mervyn The Gee
 
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@Marlow, he as only just started and lost one out of Eleven. The man you are ridiculing for losing 19,had a record of 174-19-6, 109 by K/O. Started fighting in4/10/40 and had 40 unbeaten fights until Lamotta beat him on 5/3/45, then had a run of NINETY fights unbeaten. , and fought until he was 44yrs old. How you can possibly even think of Lomo in the same league is a joke. Regardsa Mervyn The Gee
In those 90 fights he fought 7 guys with a losing record while Loma has never fought anyone in the pros with a losing record. Loma will retire having never fought anyone with a losing record too, different standards Merv.
 

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@Marlow, he as only just started and lost one out of Eleven. The man you are ridiculing for losing 19,had a record of 174-19-6, 109 by K/O. Started fighting in4/10/40 and had 40 unbeaten fights until Lamotta beat him on 5/3/45, then had a run of NINETY fights unbeaten. , and fought until he was 44yrs old. How you can possibly even think of Lomo in the same league is a joke. Regardsa Mervyn The Gee
As I've said before, the raw numbers are immaterial. Most of Robinson's fights were tick-over fights, they add nothing to his legacy. Stats lie, go tell anyone here that Mayweather is TBE because of his record on paper. We can argue all we like about what Lomachenko needs to do to become an all-time great, but if he gets even close to getting another 11 wins, he'll shoot way up everyone's lists. There was really no point in Lomachenko beating a bunch of journeymen early doors, what would that have taught him? What would beating Andy Harris types have done for his legacy?
 
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Ray Robinson lost 9.5% of his fights (making 0 undefeated fighters quit btw)

Loma has lost 9.1% of his.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. Loma>>>SRR.
Just checked and SRR fought 25 men with a losing record, talking about padding your record. Maybe Merv would be impressed if Loma fought 25 Mexican binmen? :shitstir
 
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Ray Robinson lost 9.5% of his fights (making 0 undefeated fighters quit btw)

Loma has lost 9.1% of his.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. Loma>>>SRR.
That's almost as good as the stats some guy was posting in the Groves-Eubank thread. Something like when Groves has gone to the 9th round, 60% of his fights have ended in stoppage losses.

You remember that @Pedderrs ? You were loving it.
 
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Would anyone else agree that you have to consider he has got to where he is in 12 fights has to come into consideration as well?
 
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He's the best I've seen "live". He's going to go down as an all time great talent. Maybe lack of opponents/time will scupper him on an all time great on achievement kinda thing but talent wise he is other-worldy.
 

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Oh no, I think there are a good few fighters who looked better at their best than Lomachenko. I have to say. Floyd was otherworldly, Ward outclassing world level operators with disconcerting ease, Hopkins negating his opponents almost completely, Pacquiao blitzing through the divisions, etc. Roy, Toney and Chavez were just a bit before my time, but they all looked quite a bit better too by my eye.