When Gorman does take on Dubois - Who you got and why?

DuBois Or Gorman?


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Aug 28, 2014
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I'm not impressed with Dubois. Has a big punch at lower levels and will still be a respectable puncher at higher levels, but he has so many flaws which don't seem to be being ironed out by his towel wavers. Seen his type hundreds of times before and they nearly always come unstuck when they move up in class. Hope I'm wrong but I can't see it. Gorman easy points win.
Hes actually improving alot though he takes steps back and weaves abit, the problem is when you got someone the size of Dubois there is not alot you can teach him the guy is so slow, unless they get him to lose weight hes not going to be a mover, saying that if hes got a granite chin like Joyce he can still be a problem, not everyone is going to be big and fast like AJ
 
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Hes actually improving alot though he takes steps back and weaves abit, the problem is when you got someone the size of Dubois there is not alot you can teach him the guy is so slow, unless they get him to lose weight hes not going to be a mover, saying that if hes got a granite chin like Joyce he can still be a problem, not everyone is going to be big and fast like AJ
What makes you think Joyce has a granite chin? He got done in 1 round by Kuzmin here...


And he was done in 1 by Beguerni at the 2013 World Championships too.
 
Aug 28, 2014
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What makes you think Joyce has a granite chin? He got done in 1 round by Kuzmin here...


And he was done in 1 by Beguerni at the 2013 World Championships too.
Examples of fighters getting KO'd before they turned pro is pointless, Joyce has put on at least 20lbs of solid size since then and is in much better shape and let Stiverne hit him clean with haymakers, I havent seen a Heavyweight hit that clean and not get wobbled for a long time

AJ got stopped against Whyte in the amateurs and rocked but somehow in the pro's took his best punch quite well, Wilder has been stopped before but his chin is actually quite decent

Using examples before they were pro is pointless these guys are training all year round and in 10x better shape than before
 
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Examples of fighters getting KO'd before they turned pro is pointless, Joyce has put on at least 20lbs of solid size since then and is in much better shape and let Stiverne hit him clean with haymakers, I havent seen a Heavyweight hit that clean and not get wobbled for a long time

AJ got stopped against Whyte in the amateurs and rocked but somehow in the pro's took his best punch quite well, Wilder has been stopped before but his chin is actually quite decent

Using examples before they were pro is pointless these guys are training all year round and in 10x better shape than before
AJ was not stopped by Whyte, he got dropped and got up. It's not pointless at all. It's pointless if they're very young when you find an amateur fight, but Joyce was 28 when he was KO'd and he was training full time and living the life.

Most punch resistance is genetic. Anyone who saw Price or Khan as an amateur felt confident their chins were poor. Khan at least was very young, and might have improved.

I don't think Joyce has a bad chin, but I don't think it's granite and there's no way a 28 year old getting wobbled, dropped and stopped more than once is morphing into a granite chinned fighter at 33.
 
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AJ was not stopped by Whyte, he got dropped and got up. It's not pointless at all. It's pointless if they're very young when you find an amateur fight, but Joyce was 28 when he was KO'd and he was training full time and living the life.

Most punch resistance is genetic. Anyone who saw Price or Khan as an amateur felt confident their chins were poor. Khan at least was very young, and might have improved.

I don't think Joyce has a bad chin, but I don't think it's granite and there's no way a 28 year old getting wobbled, dropped and stopped more than once is morphing into a granite chinned fighter at 33.
But he took bombs from Stiverne and didnt flinch? Them same shots would have rocked AJ, Wilder and Fury they have neber been that hit that clean Joyce literally walked to him square on and Stiverne threw the biggest haymaker he could and it landed, plus Joyce has put on loads of size so now he is outweighing guys, the same exact thing AJ did, Joshua had a bad chin now hes solid
 
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But he took bombs from Stiverne and didnt flinch? Them same shots would have rocked AJ, Wilder and Fury they have neber been that hit that clean Joyce literally walked to him square on and Stiverne threw the biggest haymaker he could and it landed, plus Joyce has put on loads of size so now he is outweighing guys, the same exact thing AJ did, Joshua had a bad chin now hes solid
Stiverne was a fat mess who has always been overrated. His only win of any note is Arreola and Arreola has never been very good.

Stiverne couldn't put a dent in Rossy and Audley wiped out Rossy. As I said, I don't think Joyce has a poor chin, but I don't think it's granite and I don't think taking shots off an obese, slow and shot fighter who was never top level means much.

The shots he took in the first round...yeah pretty good, but Stiverne was very square on and throwing mainly from the arms. After that, Stiverne was fucked, his punches that landed were cuffing, tired shots.

Also, Joyce took plenty of shots well as an amateur. He ate a good few from Hrgovic well and in several other fights too. Sometimes it's landing in the right place.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right anyway, as he's going to need granite as he steps up, because his defence is non existent.

Amazing work rate though.
 
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Examples of fighters getting KO'd before they turned pro is pointless, Joyce has put on at least 20lbs of solid size since then and is in much better shape and let Stiverne hit him clean with haymakers, I havent seen a Heavyweight hit that clean and not get wobbled for a long time

AJ got stopped against Whyte in the amateurs and rocked but somehow in the pro's took his best punch quite well, Wilder has been stopped before but his chin is actually quite decent

Using examples before they were pro is pointless these guys are training all year round and in 10x better shape than before
Putting on weight as a heavyweight doesn't improve your chin. If you have glass in the amateurs you have glass in the pros it's q fact.
 
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Punch resistance is part physical and part mental. Fighters when they turn pro become more relaxed under fire, and see and judge punches better, which is why they take bigger shots better as seasoned pros compared to when they were amateurs. Which is why AJ is able to take big shots of Klitschko as a pro, but was dropped by Whyte as an amateur
 
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Putting on weight as a heavyweight doesn't improve your chin. If you have glass in the amateurs you have glass in the pros it's q fact.
So how comes Wilder and Joyce's chin isnt glass how comes AJ's chin is decent, of course putting on weight helps your chin thats rhe dumbest thing i ever heard, AJ looked fragile in his amateur fight compared to how solid he is now, plus hes in better shape