Which famous fighters maintained lifelong good health, and which didn't?

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Now you come to mention it mate I believe he did. Apparently he was a small light heavy but he fought bigger guys,albeit not massive heavyweights by todays standards. Joe Baksi and Bruce Woodcock. He suffered bad Los,one against Maxim and another by Lloyd Marshall. My uncle was at the latter fight and told me he was lifted off his feet. So a hard career. The headaches are not surprising but he didn't seem to show classic signs of being punchdrunk.
Have you watched the GGG-Alvarez fight yet? How did you score it , if you have seen it?
 
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Have you watched the GGG-Alvarez fight yet? How did you score it , if you have seen it?
Bit of a saga mate. I went back to BT for phone and broadband,took a cheaper package which they said included Boxnation. Have had no problems until last night. Found out as I get BN through BT I would for the first time have to pay for GGG/Canelo. Which I did. Didn't want to miss that but thought the bill was very limited.
To the fight itself. I used to sit and score fights but now I don't as it spoils it somewhat,so I go by general impression . Id got GGG the more dominant fighter,and saw him winning. Not much in it. I don't really see anybody to beat him as the division is not exactly laden with talent,but if somebody comes along who is just that bit special at the weight,I think its only a matter of time before he loses. That guy isn't BJS but might just be Jacobs in a return. Or even possibly Canelo. I still don't rate GGG with Monzon and Hagler. With apologies to our absent friend Mervyn.
 
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Now you come to mention it mate I believe he did. Apparently he was a small light heavy but he fought bigger guys,albeit not massive heavyweights by todays standards. Joe Baksi and Bruce Woodcock. He suffered bad Los,one against Maxim and another by Lloyd Marshall. My uncle was at the latter fight and told me he was lifted off his feet. So a hard career. The headaches are not surprising but he didn't seem to show classic signs of being punchdrunk.
Tbf he was really young when he died so we don't know how he would have been several years down the line. Also There is chance that he violently murdered several women. Looking at Chris benoit for example that might also be the result of brain trauma. Then again with boxers especially its hard to tell because you need a certain liking for violence to get started in this sport anyway so hard to say what the cause and the effect is here.
 

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Leroy Caldwell.

I stumbled upon this interview with him


I had no idea who he was so looking at his record: wow. he was a real journeyman. The kind of tough guy who gets beaten up over the years and takes fight after fight. But he shared the ring with ATG HW punchers with the biggest punchers of the golden era. In this video he should be about 70. And he seems completely fine

I have no diea how he is doing so well while guys like Floyd Patterson who and others get dementia early even after they leave the game without any obvious issues. Let alone guys like Bowe and Meldrick Taylor who are obviously punchy in their late 20s already.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/403
Here is the excellence and stylish class of Leroy Caldwell on television shutting out the deadly punching Jeff Shelburg before a very pleased and appreciative Las Vegas audience.

First, for context, here's how dangerous Shelburg could be, especially with his right:



There's ample footage of Shelburg in action. He was no joke, and his power was familiar to early fans of Top Rank Boxing on ESPN. But there was a classy boxer and character we rooted for when he boxed on ESPN, and we rooted for him when he took Shelburg COMPLETELY to school...:





The class and character of the man shines through in his post match interview of over two and a half minutes after completing his shutout win:

 
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Quite a few boxers maintained lifelong good health after their careers ended.. JImmy Wilde, Henry Cooper, Joe Bugner.,Archie Moore , George Foreman, Ray Leonard, Chris Eubank Snr, , Nigel Benn,Lennox,Monzon,both Klitschko"s,Calzaghe,Pastrano,, Sugar Ray Robinson,Holyfield, Hopkins, and Stracey. Just a few from the top of my head, there are many more. Regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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Quite a few boxers maintained lifelong good health after their careers ended.. JImmy Wilde, Henry Cooper, Joe Bugner.,Archie Moore , George Foreman, Ray Leonard, Chris Eubank Snr, , Nigel Benn,Lennox,Monzon,both Klitschko"s,Calzaghe,Pastrano,, Sugar Ray Robinson,Holyfield, Hopkins, and Stracey. Just a few from the top of my head, there are many more. Regards Mervyn The Gee
Sugar Ray Robinson?? Mate it's well known he suffered from serious pugilistic dementia later on in his life. He was not in a good way health-wise before he died. Also Holyfield is slurring quite a bit, though he otherwise seems okay - but who knows how he might be down the line.
 
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Sugar Ray Robinson?? Mate it's well known he suffered from serious pugilistic dementia later on in his life. He was not in a good way health-wise before he died. Also Holyfield is slurring quite a bit, though he otherwise seems okay - but who knows how he might be down the line.
Thats true. Being affected seems to be progressive. Dunno whether you remember but Holyfield was in Big Brother quite a few years ago. I was fascinated he was on it but he came across as quite boring and a bit uncomfortable in the company of others. While lesser boxers like David Haye and Joe Bugner thrived on similar programs.
 
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Though not sure about Robinson. He seemed OK for quite a long time after his career, though progressive as it is it could well have got to him later.
 
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Benn and Eubank are still ripped in their mid 50s.
Apart from that their faculties appear still very sharp. But.......in later years who knows??
Then again those of us who have taken much less can suffer from dementia at any time. I know many people who have hardly ever been hit who have to go in care homes.
On the other hand I think sometimes being punch drunk can be explained away as Parkinsons.
 

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This is a great thread.

You look at legend like Benitez, and the way he fights and you wonder, how can he be punch drunk? While legends like Foreman, Qawi or Chavez Sr. fought in destroyer mode and yet display no long term effects of CTE? Well that's very simple: look up the ages when they started boxing. Benitez was already in the ring under the age of 10! So he's already taking punches to the head as a mere child. Meanwhile, Foreman and Chavez Sr. didn't start boxing until they were 16, and Qawi was already a 28 year-old when he started his boxing career. In addition, all three had limited amateur careers, Foreman won a gold medal with only 24 amateur fights, Chavez had a brief amateur career, Qawi's only "amateur" fights occurred he was in the prison boxing program.

This is why you have Hearns, Leon Spinks, Bowe, Terry Norris, etc. have some form of CTE because of the extensive amateur career, lacing up a pair of boxing gloves before becoming teenagers.

You can get the rare example like Ray Leonard who became a boxer at age 13, had an extensive amateur career, yet appears to avoided CTE, but then again he only had 40 pro fights, and he kept having hiatuses in his 20's.
 
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Also gerry Cooney. he is a bit younger but in his mid 60s and he seem really there mentally allthough he had fewer fights he wasnt a great defensive fighter either.
The good thing for Cooney is that his career wasn't that long and even during his career there were sabbaticals. Also, I'm trying to think, does anyone know if Cooney had any tough fights other than his 3 losses?
 
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The problem is that many mental health issues can be invisible. Many American football players can give lucid and articulate interviews but privately they are battling depression, personality changes, mood swings, addiction, violent tempers, and other mental related illness.

So while slur speech and “slowness” are obvious signs of boxer brain damage, there are a slew of symptoms that we may not see or hear about.

Not to mention indirectly or directly making existing conditions worse