Which life is better: UK v USA

mandela

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May 16, 2013
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While the tipping culture in the US is annoying, I think it's bang out of order to "not participate in it". You might not like the system, but that is the system that's in place, and tons of waiting staff rely on people participating in order to make a living. If someone seems rude or entitled or does a shit job, that's different...you could leave nothing or half what is expected to let them know. But if someone does a good job and your bill is $60 and you leave nothing, or leave $2...the only person being fucked over is the waiter/waitress.

If the system pisses you off so much that you don't want to participate...don't eat out. Or choose restaurants that advertise the fact that they pay a proper wage and thus don't accept tips. Granted these are few and far between, but it is gradually growing. By not tipping or tipping 5% or something...the owner still gets to not pay their staff a good wage, the system in the country remains, but one minimum wage worker goes home with less money in their pocket.
I think $5 is more than generous for someone carrying food to a table and refilling some drinks.

Always been my problem actually, too fuckin' nice.
 
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I just had to deal with the sort of idiot who drives up healthcare costs in the US.

The guy had Medicaid and was being treated for type 2 diabetes. He started working and had his Medicaid cut off. Rather than arrange to switch immediately to Obamacare or another plan, he simply stopped taking his medicine or going to the doctor (6-12 months ago).

He came in today because he developed cataracts (probably from diabetes) and is now “back in the system” before developing more serious diabetic complications unless he’s bold enough to skip instructions to go to urgent care (where they have treat him and have social workers to straighten out his insurance).

Had he not developed cataracts he could have ended up continuing to avoid doctors until needing dialysis (lifespan shortened to five years) and costing like a million per year to the Medicare and Medicaid. He could’ve reached that point within the next year.

He also was likely still using opiates which may have had something to do with it.
 

Trail

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May 24, 2013
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Trying to get a Doctor appointment in England is like pissing in the wind. If you don't ring my doctors at 8am on the day you're ill then you don't get an appointment that day (even then you don't get an appointment 9 times out of 10 because some old fucker who is more needy has nicked all the appointments. They then tell you to ring back tomorrow at the same time of wait three weeks for a spare appointment. No good if you're chucking blood up or doubled over in pain is it.

Living in the Netherlands health insurance is mandatory for anyone over the age of 18 (it was €85 a month). You can get a doctor's appointment in a heartbeat over there.

No idea what it's like in the US as I never paid healthcare when I was there, and I was never ill either. Healthcare was taken care of by the company I worked for, not literally - I mean they paid it for us.
 
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Trying to get a Doctor appointment in England is like pissing in the wind. If you don't ring my doctors at 8am on the day you're ill then you don't get an appointment that day (even then you don't get an appointment 9 times out of 10 because some old fucker who is more needy has nicked all the appointments. They then tell you to ring back tomorrow at the same time of wait three weeks for a spare appointment. No good if you're chucking blood up or doubled over in pain is it.

Living in the Netherlands health insurance is mandatory for anyone over the age of 18 (it was €85 a month). You can get a doctor's appointment in a heartbeat over there.

No idea what it's like in the US as I never paid healthcare when I was there, and I was never ill either. Healthcare was taken care of by the company I worked for, not literally - I mean they paid it for us.
The wait depends on the doctor and the specialty, but ER and urgent care are same day with a wait that could be hours.
 
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Trail

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The wait depends on the doctor and the specialty, but ER and urgent care are same day with a wait that could be hours.
Yep, Accidents and Emergency (UK ER) are pretty much the same here unless you call an ambulance and the illness/injury is serious enough, then they'll find someone to look at you pretty much straight away.
 

Deebo

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Jun 5, 2013
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Show dem balls bro
I can't speak for everybody obviously but honestly life in Northern California as a 3rd generation Mexican/Italian is pretty fucking tits and I do live a good life regardless of what anyone else says about how minorities or what-not are treated here. Be respectful, work hard, strive for all you can be, have compassion for your fellow human being and Cali life is fucking mellow and sweeeeeet.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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Never been overseas.

Can't comment. My state is a shithole though. I love New Mexican culture, the food, the language, the scenery, the people. My state ranks low for all the positive metrics and high for all the negative ones though.
 
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AntG

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Nov 16, 2012
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Trying to get a Doctor appointment in England is like pissing in the wind. If you don't ring my doctors at 8am on the day you're ill then you don't get an appointment that day (even then you don't get an appointment 9 times out of 10 because some old fucker who is more needy has nicked all the appointments. They then tell you to ring back tomorrow at the same time of wait three weeks for a spare appointment. No good if you're chucking blood up or doubled over in pain is it.

Living in the Netherlands health insurance is mandatory for anyone over the age of 18 (it was €85 a month). You can get a doctor's appointment in a heartbeat over there.

No idea what it's like in the US as I never paid healthcare when I was there, and I was never ill either. Healthcare was taken care of by the company I worked for, not literally - I mean they paid it for us.
The only time it's a cunt for me to get a doctors appointment are if I'm ringing them on a Monday morning, because they've been shut all weekend all the fucking ol' biddies clog up the lines, rest of the week's fine though just don't expect an appointment before 12.
 
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mandela

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I can't speak for everybody obviously but honestly life in Northern California as a 3rd generation Mexican/Italian is pretty fucking tits and I do live a good life regardless of what anyone else says about how minorities or what-not are treated here. Be respectful, work hard, strive for all you can be, have compassion for your fellow human being and Cali life is fucking mellow and sweeeeeet.
Aye, I don't want to be misunderstood. I fuckin love it here. Will never move back to Scotland, or anywhere else. It's got many amazing aspects to it but the wilful ignorance, arrogance and insulation nature ofofany Americans does annoy me. Particularly because it all comes at their own expense. America really could be the GOAT if it sorted out it's workers rights, healthcare and corporate first approach.
 
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Aye, I don't want to be misunderstood. I fuckin love it here. Will never move back to Scotland, or anywhere else. It's got many amazing aspects to it but the wilful ignorance, arrogance and insulation nature ofofany Americans does annoy me. Particularly because it all comes at their own expense. America really could be the GOAT if it sorted out it's workers rights, healthcare and corporate first approach.
If you’re a doctor in US, you get paid way more than in the U.K. though.
 
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AntG

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Seeing as my doctors car park is full of sports cars and 4x4's I think they earn well enough though.
 

mandela

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6 figure differences for doctors.
Aye, medical fields are a bit of an anomaly though simply because every single little thing related to health has been obscenely inflated in price. Unfortunately many doctors are complicit in this. Again, i keep going back to the point that the entire health service industry in America is completely and utterly ethically bankrupt and it is a shameful, shameful situation for a so called developed country. Shameful.
 
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JDK

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Jun 3, 2013
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Aye, medical fields are a bit of an anomaly though simply because every single little thing related to health has been obscenely inflated in price. Unfortunately many doctors are complicit in this. Again, i keep going back to the point that the entire health service industry in America is completely and utterly ethically bankrupt and it is a shameful, shameful situation for a so called developed country. Shameful.
Our healthcare system is working perfectly as intended. Thing is it was never developed for the public or patients.
 
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WaltzingMatilda

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I just had to deal with the sort of idiot who drives up healthcare costs in the US.

The guy had Medicaid and was being treated for type 2 diabetes. He started working and had his Medicaid cut off. Rather than arrange to switch immediately to Obamacare or another plan, he simply stopped taking his medicine or going to the doctor (6-12 months ago).

He came in today because he developed cataracts (probably from diabetes) and is now “back in the system” before developing more serious diabetic complications unless he’s bold enough to skip instructions to go to urgent care (where they have treat him and have social workers to straighten out his insurance).

Had he not developed cataracts he could have ended up continuing to avoid doctors until needing dialysis (lifespan shortened to five years) and costing like a million per year to the Medicare and Medicaid. He could’ve reached that point within the next year.

He also was likely still using opiates which may have had something to do with it.


Why would his life span be shortened just being on dialysis?