Which life is better: UK v USA

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While the tipping culture in the US is annoying, I think it's bang out of order to "not participate in it". You might not like the system, but that is the system that's in place, and tons of waiting staff rely on people participating in order to make a living. If someone seems rude or entitled or does a shit job, that's different...you could leave nothing or half what is expected to let them know. But if someone does a good job and your bill is $60 and you leave nothing, or leave $2...the only person being fucked over is the waiter/waitress.

If the system pisses you off so much that you don't want to participate...don't eat out. Or choose restaurants that advertise the fact that they pay a proper wage and thus don't accept tips. Granted these are few and far between, but it is gradually growing. By not tipping or tipping 5% or something...the owner still gets to not pay their staff a good wage, the system in the country remains, but one minimum wage worker goes home with less money in their pocket.
It may be annoying but there is no way wait staff make that kind of money elsewhere, depending upon the restaurant of course.

I know a girl that works in a supper club saturday nights outside her regular jobs and brings home over $400 for what amounts to about 5 hours of work
 
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It may be annoying but there is no way wait staff make that kind of money elsewhere, depending upon the restaurant of course.

I know a girl that works in a supper club saturday nights outside her regular jobs and brings home over $400 for what amounts to about 5 hours of work
Interesting. So, not tipping them as much would be fair?
 
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Never been overseas.

Can't comment. My state is a shithole though. I love New Mexican culture, the food, the language, the scenery, the people. My state ranks low for all the positive metrics and high for all the negative ones though.
Food is amazing. Weather is great. Has everything I want but it just feels strange somehow. It is different than the rest of the country for sure. And the roads are terrifying
 
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Interesting. So, not tipping them as much would be fair?
Ha. Well. If you want to be an asshole I suppose. They run their asses off in the place I'm talking about. Turn over 5 or more seating starting at 430 or so.

I mean what do you think a waiter is earning at a hot restaurant in nyc? Probably well over 100k a year
 
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Ha. Well. If you want to be an asshole I suppose. They run their asses off in the place I'm talking about. Turn over 5 or more seating starting at 430 or so.

I mean what do you think a waiter is earning at a hot restaurant in nyc? Probably well over 100k a year
To me that undermines the principle that "they rely on these tips to make a living". If you are earning 100k a year then you don't need me or anyone else to be paying 20% of our bill to you in a tip. A tip of 10% would be fine, and you'd be earning a good living for working hard in an unskilled sector. It is ludicrous that a system has grown up that allows business owners to pay fuck all, while unskilled workers earn more than teachers due to the public being expected to pay 20% of their bill in a tip.

I always tip (unless it is shit service), and I don't resent a small tip, but I think it's ludicrous that it is 20% if waiting staff are actually making a ton of money off it.

The worst thing is that Britain just follows US culture, so now most restaurants here have 12.5% added to the bill. Don't bar staff work hard? Tons of people work hard, nobody in a restaurant works harder than the chefs, but lots of chefs are on shit money.

My impression of the US was that without the tips the waiting staff would be broke, and with the tips they made okay money. Not $400 tax free per evening.
 
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People can't drive for shit in this city. Lol!

Why are the roads terrifying besides the terrible drivers?
I spent two days on the road from santa fe to taos. I saw one fatal accident. Saw a stain on the road where a tanker had crashed the week prior and blew up. Saw a second major accident. Saw a dude going the wrong way way with no headlights. And a few other assorted bad driving. All in about 7 hours on road
 
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I spent two days on the road from santa fe to taos. I saw one fatal accident. Saw a stain on the road where a tanker had crashed the week prior and blew up. Saw a second major accident. Saw a dude going the wrong way way with no headlights. And a few other assorted bad driving. All in about 7 hours on road
Gotcha, so it is because of the bad drivers. :lol

I agree, people drive like shit in this state. They've gotta be the worst in the country.
 
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To me that undermines the principle that "they rely on these tips to make a living". If you are earning 100k a year then you don't need me or anyone else to be paying 20% of our bill to you in a tip. A tip of 10% would be fine, and you'd be earning a good living for working hard in an unskilled sector. It is ludicrous that a system has grown up that allows business owners to pay fuck all, while unskilled workers earn more than teachers due to the public being expected to pay 20% of their bill in a tip.

I always tip (unless it is shit service), and I don't resent a small tip, but I think it's ludicrous that it is 20% if waiting staff are actually making a ton of money off it.

The worst thing is that Britain just follows US culture, so now most restaurants here have 12.5% added to the bill. Don't bar staff work hard? Tons of people work hard, nobody in a restaurant works harder than the chefs, but lots of chefs are on shit money.

My impression of the US was that without the tips the waiting staff would be broke, and with the tips they made okay money. Not $400 tax free per evening.
Would I fuck give 20% to a bog standard service from a wait staff.

It would have to be exceptional for 20%. Really exceptional, and its nothing to do with being tight with money.
Somewhere between 10-15% for average to good.

0-5%% for terrible to bad service. I've tipped 0% before. I've told staff they won't be getting a tip so bad was the service.
 
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Wait staff in restaurants 20% of the bill. Valet parking throw them a five. Same with a bell hop. Curbside checkin at an airport. I throw them a 10. That's all you generally have to tip
$5 for a couple of minutes (if that) work lifting a suitcase? That's crazy. If it was something that offered some tangible benefit or skillset I'd understand but I'd just prefer to carry my own things.

Pretty sure there's other stuff too. Eg bars, breakfast buffet, housekeeping.
 
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$5 for a couple of minutes (if that) work lifting a suitcase? That's crazy. If it was something that offered some tangible benefit or skillset I'd understand but I'd just prefer to carry my own things.

Pretty sure there's other stuff too. Eg bars, breakfast buffet, housekeeping.
They don't even give you an option either...just grab your bag.

Basically extortion :think1
 
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$5 for a couple of minutes (if that) work lifting a suitcase? That's crazy. If it was something that offered some tangible benefit or skillset I'd understand but I'd just prefer to carry my own things.

Pretty sure there's other stuff too. Eg bars, breakfast buffet, housekeeping.
Fuck, that's another one, actually. You go to a breakfast buffet and you're expected to tip the guy making your omelette.


Bitch, please...
 
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$5 for a couple of minutes (if that) work lifting a suitcase? That's crazy. If it was something that offered some tangible benefit or skillset I'd understand but I'd just prefer to carry my own things.

Pretty sure there's other stuff too. Eg bars, breakfast buffet, housekeeping.
Yeah I carry my own shit. Usually tip bar tenders a buck for a round. More in a busy place to get their attention and then scale back.

Housekeeping I just leave lose change from the duration of my stay. Buffets I may leave a dollar.
 
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Would I fuck give 20% to a bog standard service from a wait staff.

It would have to be exceptional for 20%. Really exceptional, and its nothing to do with being tight with money.
Somewhere between 10-15% for average to good.

0-5%% for terrible to bad service. I've tipped 0% before. I've told staff they won't be getting a tip so bad was the service.
20% is the standard in the US now. It's standard to give a dollar with every beer you buy at the bar in NYC too, which is fucking insane to me. One bar man must sell at least 30 beers an hour, so that would put them on over $35 per hour.