Who is going to be the Democrat nominee in 2020? The contenders are starting to make themselves known.

tommygun711

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Bernie is going to win this race

The Dems will throw everything they can at him so as to get one of their own up there but he has a far better chance,IMHO,this time round BECAUSE of what happened last time and because none of the others,unless Biden maybe runs,are going to be able to command quite the sort of resources Hillary could,regardless of what sort of candidate she was................

I think Kamala Harris is going to be the establishment choice.............she checks all the boxes as far as gender and non threatening shade of brown PLUS supposed 'progressive' values and whatnot............and,of course,a history of establishment sort of hardline behavior where she can be trusted,I think,to toe the line and do the job the party wants done.........

She will,eventually,be seen through I hope.........

I like Mz Tulsi far better......than Harris that is.......but I think she will be dismissed as too young.............

Bernie is the best human on the board and the best candidate I think too................a decades long record of public service and consistent work for the working classes...........plus he has name recognition...........and maybe some regret factor left from folks who voted either Hillary or Trump and get it now................he speaks well,he is on the right side of pretty much every issue,he resonates with people and is a popular sort ..............likeably eccentric and whatnot...........

So,yeah,I think he wins the campaign.............and I think its a far more serious,'dirty' one than last time round,though most of the bile will be,rightfully,tossed at trump................

And yeah,I think the dems can still mess this up and,by stupid infighting and insisting on trying to push an establishment pick, do enough damage to the cause to let something crazy happen............

WHat the left needs is some fucking quiet time,some introspection,some dialing down of the fringe fuckwits who dont speak for the vast,silent,LIBERAL majority of this nation who cast MILLIONS more votes for that shit Hillary than Trump..............

Let the people decide,and when they pick bernie,PUT YOUR ASS INTO IT AND MAKE SURE HE WINS BECAUSE,WHATEVER SHADE OF NORMAL YOU ARE,BERNIE IS BETTER THAN TRUMP

If nothing else,he gets nothing done,like trump,but is a far less embarrassing fuckwit while doing it

Vote you cunts

vote bernie
I think a Tulsi/Bernie ticket could work. Either one being president/vp doesn't matter, their views are almost identical.
 
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You voted for an utter retard who is somehow FAR MORE corrupt than Hillary, and your country is not doing well. The richest 1% are doing well, because your orange fuckwit has accelerated the looting of the entire country and wealth transfer directly into their pockets.

Remember when you were saying that income/wealth inequality was perhaps the biggest problem having America, and you were posting articles from that billionaire warning his fellow billionaires that if they didn't stop mercilessly raping the middle and working classes, then the pitchforks would soon come out?

Then you went and voted for the GOP and the inherited-wealth billionaire whose one significant legislative achievement is a TRILLION DOLLAR GIVEAWAY to his fellow 1%ers.

What a fucking moron you turned out to be. :patsch

I would have thought that an ex Marine would a) give a fuck about America's prestige in the world being pissed away, b) would give a fuck about maintaining relationships with traditional allies, c) would give a fuck about the POTUS defending freedom and democracy instead of having bizarre man crushes on hostile foreign dictators, and d) would give a fuck about having a POTUS who respects the armed forces and its members, instead of being a draft dodger who routinely pisses in the faces of service members, uses them as political pawns, doesn't honour them when it rains because he's worried about his combover, mocks the families of those killed in combat, etc etc etc.

But apparently not. :patsch

What the fuck has this guy done to you? He has made you deranged. :patsch:patsch

:hat

People go on rants like this about every President. It is impossible not to pick apart anyone who is President. The country is doing fine under Trump. I didn't vote for him but don't see the reason for TDS.
 

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I think a Tulsi/Bernie ticket could work. Either one being president/vp doesn't matter, their views are almost identical.
maybe Bernie/Tulsi..............not the other way round as folks are going to balk at her age

I wonder if a Bernie/Harris ticket could be made?

By way of compromise?

I think maybe Bernie needs a somewhat more moderate VP.....more moderate than he.........to attract the widest possible support............in an eventual general.........
 

tommygun711

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maybe Bernie/Tulsi..............not the other way round as folks are going to balk at her age

I wonder if a Bernie/Harris ticket could be made?

By way of compromise?

I think maybe Bernie needs a somewhat more moderate VP.....more moderate than he.........to attract the widest possible support............in an eventual general.........
The idea that Bernie has to appeal to moderates is BS. You don't shift towards the center to beat a populist like Trump. You shift towards the progressive left. Appealing to "moderates" is the kind of horse shit that neoliberal Hillary Clinton pulled. She even picked Tim Kaine to solidify her status as a moderate. Trump shifted to the left of Hillary on foreign policy and trade, while Hillary still had to pander to neocons. The Dems should learn from their mistakes and select a progressive candidate.

Tulsi's age would be an advantage IMO. Particularly as VP.

I personally can't stand Harris.
 
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I think Bernie is too old,by the time he gets sworn in he will be 80 years old... He could run as VP, but I don't see him being a good pick at his age for President. 4 years ago it would have been fine, but I think it's too late for him now.
 

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I think Bernie is too old,by the time he gets sworn in he will be 80 years old... He could run as VP, but I don't see him being a good pick at his age for President. 4 years ago it would have been fine, but I think it's too late for him now.
Maybe if he commits to only 1 term.
 
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Maybe if he commits to only 1 term.
Even then, he'll be 80-84 years old during his first term and that's pretty old. Yes he can still probably hold it together, but I think the stress of the job would have a greater impact on him due to his age and would inhibit his ability to run the country. I would prefer him as a VP at this point and more in an advisor role.
 
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What are the vote winners for you traditional American Democrat voters?

What do you want to hear that will swing your vote to them?
 

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The idea that Bernie has to appeal to moderates is BS. You don't shift towards the center to beat a populist like Trump. You shift towards the progressive left. Appealing to "moderates" is the kind of horse shit that neoliberal Hillary Clinton pulled. She even picked Tim Kaine to solidify her status as a moderate. Trump shifted to the left of Hillary on foreign policy and trade, while Hillary still had to pander to neocons. The Dems should learn from their mistakes and select a progressive candidate.

Tulsi's age would be an advantage IMO. Particularly as VP.

I personally can't stand Harris.
1] I dont like Harris either

2] I think there has to be an appeal to 'moderates' and thus 'normality' this time round.............a reaction against the crazy that's been Trump

3] I didnt say Bernie should shift anywhere...........he just needs to pick up those 'independents' and whatnot.....
 
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Bernie needs to be extremely careful with his VP pick. He can lose to Trump if he picks the wrong VP. I think Ro Khanna (is that how you spell it?) would be an excellent pick.
 
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I'm concerned about Bernie's age also, but he's still my 3rd pick to be the dem nominee, mostly because of how mediocre or shitty the field is.
 
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What are the vote winners for you traditional American Democrat voters?

What do you want to hear that will swing your vote to them?
For me, it comes down to...

  1. Who's going to get us out of as many wars as possible
  2. Who's going to get us closest to single payer
  3. Electability
  4. Who is going to stray away the most from the corporate and military industrial complex overlords that have fucked this country up so much over the last couple of decades
 
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For me, it comes down to...

  1. Who's going to get us out of as many wars as possible
  2. Who's going to get us closest to single payer
  3. Electability
  4. Who is going to stray away the most from the corporate and military industrial complex overlords that have fucked this country up so much over the last couple of decades
yeah,something like that

1] reduce the military budget

2] money out of politics

3] single payer

4] end the drug war

5] schooling through university

6] re-structure corporate and other taxes,progressively........

7] infrastructure/population investments
 
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yeah,something like that

1] reduce the military budget

2] money out of politics

3] single payer

4] end the drug war

5] schooling through university

6] re-structure corporate and other taxes,progressively........

7] infrastructure/population investments
For me, it comes down to...

  1. Who's going to get us out of as many wars as possible
  2. Who's going to get us closest to single payer
  3. Electability
  4. Who is going to stray away the most from the corporate and military industrial complex overlords that have fucked this country up so much over the last couple of decades
Is Bernie the most likely to deliver on those, from the very little I know about the runners, it seems the case... I'd go along with all of these things too if I were an American. The lack of a Universal Healthcare system just seems like the kinda shit you would expect in a 3rd world country.
 
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Is Bernie the most likely to deliver on those, from the very little I know about the runners, it seems the case... I'd go along with all of these things too if I were an American. The lack of a Universal Healthcare system just seems like the kinda shit you would expect in a 3rd world country.
I’m not sure how electable Bernie is. I mean, he might do great in a general partly from voter enthusiasm but I always thought he was a wild card when it came to how he would do in a general election because we never had someone running close to that hard left and call themselves a socialist as a democratic nominee. The closest I can think of was McGovern in 1972 but he got wiped out. I’m not sure how the general electorate would respond to him if there was a closer microscope on him. Even when fdr became president, who was pretty radically left for the time, had won because there was a Great Depression and the public felt like there was not much to lose.

Also, even if he won, I think the powers that be would go scorched earth to block anything major that he’d try to do. All that being said, he’s still my 3rd choice for the nomination right now.
 
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Is Bernie the most likely to deliver on those, from the very little I know about the runners, it seems the case... I'd go along with all of these things too if I were an American. The lack of a Universal Healthcare system just seems like the kinda shit you would expect in a 3rd world country.
Also, just to add, there are 2 candidates I have over Bernie right now. One is Sherrod Brown. @SwollenGoat said it best the other week that Sherrod Brown is basically Bernie lite. Plus Brown is from Ohio which is a republican leaning state where if the dems win there, they pretty much have the election in the bag. The other is Tulsi Gabbard who I think would do great in getting young voters out. Youth always attracted youth plus she’s great on the most important issues.
 
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tommygun711

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1] I dont like Harris either

2] I think there has to be an appeal to 'moderates' and thus 'normality' this time round.............a reaction against the crazy that's been Trump

3] I didnt say Bernie should shift anywhere...........he just needs to pick up those 'independents' and whatnot.....
Bernie is already very popular with independents, atheists, rust belt voters and so on. for this reason I think he would have won Pennsylvania, Michigan and potentially Ohio because of his views on trade and other economic issues.
 
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