Who is going to be the Democrat nominee in 2020?

tommygun711

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It's cute how you try to talk like her being a female candidate for POTUS isn't enough by itself to get an automatic no from you regardless of any policies she has, or anything she says or does. :lol:

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Not sure that it is accurate to say that Mexi box is a sexist or something. I can only speak for myself, but aside from the Pocahontas thing, Warren is just not the best candidate. She may well have a lot of progressive plans (with the exception of healthcare) and she is able to argue for Trump's impeachment in a competent way due to her legal background, but I just don't think she should be the one. She strikes me as someone who is a bit of a fake progressive; mainly because of the way she endorsed Hillary over Bernie in 2016. Also, the way the mainstream media has been pushing her makes me wonder.

I will say that she does seem to have a lot of good, detailed plans on her website but I just kind of doubt her credibility.
 
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Not sure that it is accurate to say that Mexi box is a sexist or something. I can only speak for myself, but aside from the Pocahontas thing, Warren is just not the best candidate. She may well have a lot of progressive plans (with the exception of healthcare) and she is able to argue for Trump's impeachment in a competent way due to her legal background, but I just don't think she should be the one. She strikes me as someone who is a bit of a fake progressive; mainly because of the way she endorsed Hillary over Bernie in 2016. Also, the way the mainstream media has been pushing her makes me wonder.

I will say that she does seem to have a lot of good, detailed plans on her website but I just kind of doubt her credibility.
I think she's getting ripped apart because she has a shitload of detailed policy proposals that would actually help the average American, and which are popular across the country with both left and right leaning voters. None of the ruling class want to see workers sitting on company's boards, and Warren would force that.

Even Tucker fucking Carlson acknowledged this, when he trolled his audience by quoting part of a speech of hers where she outlined some proposals that struggling Middle Americans would LOVE..... before revealing that they come from a candidate that the Faux News cultists have been programmed to froth at the mouth whenever her name or nickname is mentioned.

Every criticism I've seen of her seems to be "no charisma", "whiny voice", "Pocahontas lol" or things of that nature. What about her policies?

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Also, @tommygun711 - what about her makes her a "fake progressive"? That she endorsed Hillary the supernatural personification of all evil in the world, rather than Bernie?

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I think she's getting ripped apart because she has a shitload of detailed policy proposals that would actually help the average American, and which are popular across the country with both left and right leaning voters. None of the ruling class want to see workers sitting on company's boards, and Warren would force that.

Even Tucker fucking Carlson acknowledged this, when he trolled his audience by quoting part of a speech of hers where she outlined some proposals that struggling Middle Americans would LOVE..... before revealing that they come from a candidate that the Faux News cultists have been programmed to froth at the mouth whenever her name or nickname is mentioned.

Every criticism I've seen of her seems to be "no charisma", "whiny voice", "Pocahontas lol" or things of that nature. What about her policies?

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I haven't really seen her get ripped apart tbh, I am seeing her gain momentum if anything.

I also thought it was interesting/cool that the "populist" Tucker Carlson praised Warren's economic plans, I guess that makes Warren far right by the SJW's standards :lol:

Regarding Warren endorsing Hillary over Bernie - yeah I think that speaks volumes about who she really is. Instead of endorsing the candidate that has progressive views most aligned with her own, she fell in line with the establishment Democrats and did what she thought was politically safe. I think it is a fair criticism. She should have endorsed Bernie and Bernie could have won Massachusetts with her endorsement (the MA Dem primary was very close between Hillary & bernie)

I don't know why you keep sarcastically acting like Hillary isn't a corrupt piece of garbage that should have never been close to the presidency. Face it, Hillary was/is horrible and anyone associating themselves with Hillary is questionable imo.
 

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I haven't really seen her get ripped apart tbh, I am seeing her gain momentum if anything.

I also thought it was interesting/cool that the "populist" Tucker Carlson praised Warren's economic plans, I guess that makes Warren far right by the SJW's standards :lol:
She is a populist, and if she was given a free hand then she would make millions of Trump cultist's lives better by putting checks on the relentless ass-raping they have been taking for the last 40 years from the corporatists who they keep voting to enable.

Too bad they've been brainwashed to reflexively hate her because libs, socialists etc.

Regarding Warren endorsing Hillary over Bernie - yeah I think that speaks volumes about who she really is. Instead of endorsing the candidate that has progressive views most aligned with her own, she fell in line with the establishment Democrats and did what she thought was politically safe. I think it is a fair criticism.
Maybe it is.

It's also a fair criticism to say that Bernie wouldn't have gotten anything done. He is so hardheaded and uncompromising that his entire agenda would have been stalled right out of the gate.

She should have endorsed Bernie and Bernie could have won Massachusetts with her endorsement (the MA Dem primary was very close between Hillary & bernie)
How much is an endorsement worth, anyway? Always seemed kind of weird to me. When's the last time you gave a single fuck about who a politician or entertainer told you to vote for?

I don't know why you keep sarcastically acting like Hillary isn't a corrupt piece of garbage that should have never been close to the presidency. Face it, Hillary was/is horrible and anyone associating themselves with Hillary is questionable imo.
Because the derangement is real. A quarter century of being the most hated person in American politics, and what have the right come up with? Benghazi? Emails? Whitewater? Seth Rich? Please.

People talk about Hillary like she's a supernatural personification of all evil. She wasn't even the most corrupt piece of shit in the two-person general election campaign, FFS.

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Maybe it is.

It's also a fair criticism to say that Bernie wouldn't have gotten anything done. He is so hardheaded and uncompromising that his entire agenda would have been stalled right out of the gate.
Maybe, maybe not. I still would have liked having a genuine progressive in Bernie, someone who would have at least pushed for those policies rather than a so called "moderate" neo liberal in Hillary who could have campaigned as a Republican.

How much is an endorsement worth, anyway? Always seemed kind of weird to me. When's the last time you gave a single fuck about who a politician or entertainer told you to vote for?
I think an endorsement from Warren would have actually been worth a lot when you consider the circumstances. Hillary got 49.73% of the vote in MA and Bernie got 48.33%. Warren is a Massachusetts senator, had she endorsed Bernie it could have made the difference.

Because the derangement is real. A quarter century of being the most hated person in American politics, and what have the right come up with? Benghazi? Emails? Whitewater? Seth Rich? Please.

People talk about Hillary like she's a supernatural personification of all evil. She wasn't even the most corrupt piece of shit in the two-person general election campaign, FFS.

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We will have to agree to disagree on this, I think you shouldn't dismiss all of her scandals like they are no big deal. The email thing in particular is shady as fuck, the way that she had aides use bleach bit to wipe her private server, the way she had aides use hammers to smash burner cellphones, I mean you have to go a long way to defend that kind of behavior. Even Comey said that she was extremely careless.

it isn't just "the right" that hates Hillary, give me a break. She has made enemies all over the political spectrum with her flip flopping and neoliberal BS. libertarians hate her warmongering record, progressives hate her economic views, independents like myself hate her inconsistency. Hillary herself is center right when you actually look at her record. she supported TPP, supported NAFTA, voted for the Iraq war, supported the 94 Clinton crime bill, etc. That is just the tip of the iceberg of her god awful record. And that's without even mentioning the corrupt Clinton foundation!


 

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I haven't really seen her get ripped apart tbh, I am seeing her gain momentum if anything.

I also thought it was interesting/cool that the "populist" Tucker Carlson praised Warren's economic plans, I guess that makes Warren far right by the SJW's standards :lol:

Regarding Warren endorsing Hillary over Bernie - yeah I think that speaks volumes about who she really is. Instead of endorsing the candidate that has progressive views most aligned with her own, she fell in line with the establishment Democrats and did what she thought was politically safe. I think it is a fair criticism. She should have endorsed Bernie and Bernie could have won Massachusetts with her endorsement (the MA Dem primary was very close between Hillary & bernie)

I don't know why you keep sarcastically acting like Hillary isn't a corrupt piece of garbage that should have never been close to the presidency. Face it, Hillary was/is horrible and anyone associating themselves with Hillary is questionable imo.
She did what was politically expedient, Tommy. She knows full well who runs the Democratic party, and it ain't Bernie.
 
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It's cute how you try to talk like her being a female candidate for POTUS isn't enough by itself to get an automatic no from you regardless of any policies she has, or anything she says or does. :lol:

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It's cute how you didn't even take into account what I said. Dude, I really don't care that she's a woman. Here are my posts to prove it. I used to even follow her on Twitter. She lost me the minute she didn't endorse Sanders but did the politically convenient thing.

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Democrats are more wolves in sheep's clothing. That Obama ran as a liberal, but the asshole became Bush 2.0. I wish Elizabeth Warren ran for president. She is the only politician I would be happy to cast a "vote" for.
After the Bernie Sander's primary.

Unfollowed Elizabeth Warren on Twitter. She screwed over Sanders.
So again, STFU, Haggis, you don't fucking live here!
 

Joe E

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It's cute how you try to talk like her being a female candidate for POTUS isn't enough by itself to get an automatic no from you regardless of any policies she has, or anything she says or does. :lol:

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:rofl Check The Rudder. Insinuating that Mexi-Box is basing his opinions on the fact Warren is a woman. Smear, which is the lunatic lefts go to retort. You've become predictable, Rudder. Predictable, unimaginative, more obtuse. Without being able to follow Slappy around you're entirely lost.
 
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If true that is pretty disappointing, i don't know too much about either of those situations but I'll look into it.

What difference does it make what her Father did, Tommy? Guilt by association? Weak. God forbid anyone, or anyone's associates, should offend the Gay Mafia, SJW snowflakes, or hold a differing opinion than the Maggot Stream Media. What her Father does is a non issue. Simply more shit slinging via the establishments lap dog media.

 
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She did what was politically expedient, Tommy. She knows full well who runs the Democratic party, and it ain't Bernie.
Bernie himself endorsed Hilary, so the point is kind of moot. Each did what they believed was the politically opportune thing to do.

They are all fake progressives when it really comes down to it, and the people who believed in Bernie still remember how he sold them all down the river; he's not the rock star he was four years ago.
 

tommygun711

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Bernie himself endorsed Hilary, so the point is kind of moot. Each did what they believed was the politically opportune thing to do.

They are all fake progressives when it really comes down to it, and the people who believed in Bernie still remember how he sold them all down the river; he's not the rock star he was four years ago.
Bernie sold out & pissed off many of his supporters when he did that. Anyway his entire mission at that point was defeating Trump.. Tulsi Gabbard for example did what was right, she had to resign her DNC post just to endorse Bernie. But you are right that Bernie isn't the man he was 4 years ago, he has latched onto the Russiagate nonsense just because it's popular with Dems.

It's a legitimate point because we wouldn't be in this fiasco with Trump if Bernie was the nominee in 2016. If Dems were intelligent they would have realized Bernie was the best option to beat Trump.

 

Haggis

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It's cute how you didn't even take into account what I said. Dude, I really don't care that she's a woman. Here are my posts to prove it. I used to even follow her on Twitter. She lost me the minute she didn't endorse Sanders but did the politically convenient thing.
I have a very hard time believing that you would ever pull the lever to vote any woman to be the President of the United States, head of the entire federal government and Commander in Chief of the military.

Maybe I'm wrong. But you do very often seem very contemptuous of any and all women who do anything in the professional world. I have a hard time believing that you would ever have voted for Elizabeth Warren. Your taste is more blustery alpha-male conspiracy retards like Jesse Ventura.

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