Who is going to be the Democrat nominee in 2020?

Ar558a

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Quite frankly when the opposition is Trump, it shouldn't need a good choice. He is the worst President ever, worst world leader ever (bar maybe Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini). If the Dems can't a beat a guy this incompetent and fundamentally stupid then they're never going to win.
 

tommygun711

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The incumbent election normally don't provide many good choices.
While this is true you would think it would be different considering the stakes are so high with Trump. Dems shouldnt fuck around and they kind of are. None of the front runners interest me and while Bernie is solid on enough of the issues, he also is too old and lost some of the shine that he previously had.

Quite frankly when the opposition is Trump, it shouldn't need a good choice. He is the worst President ever, worst world leader ever (bar maybe Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini). If the Dems can't a beat a guy this incompetent and fundamentally stupid then they're never going to win.
No offense but this type of thinking guaranteed the Dems lost in 2016. the dems wrongly assumed that anyone could beat Trump, and they rigged the primary for Hillary when Bernie should have been the nominee and would have surely defeated Trump. They DO need a good choice that is clearly better than Trump, and Biden doesn't cut it.

 
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Ar558a

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While this is true you would think it would be different considering the stakes are so high with Trump. Dems shouldnt fuck around and they kind of are. None of the front runners interest me and while Bernie is solid on enough of the issues, he also is too old and lost some of the shine that he previously had.

No offense but this type of thinking guaranteed the Dems lost in 2016. the dems wrongly assumed that anyone could beat Trump, and they rigged the primary for Hillary when Bernie should have been the nominee and would have surely defeated Trump. They DO need a good choice that is clearly better than Trump, and Biden doesn't cut it.
Well the USA gets what it votes for and it appears there is still a majority (or at least a a electoral college majority) for supporting Trump's Jurassic policies and infantile behaviour. He wouldn't get 10% in any other Western Democracy ( and would likely struggle in some places with very little democratic experience). The problem in the US is that they have one major party who are still absolutely committed to policies that would make them a extremist fringe party anywhere else (Guns - using a law written in 1789 to justify gun fanatics and psychos being allowed to keep assault weapons has to be the most ridiculous political/judicial conceit of all time, Healthcare - having the richest country in the world not provide universal healthcare and have the very people who need that healthcare continue to vote against shows how the cult of parties is beyond logic)
 

tommygun711

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Well the USA gets what it votes for and it appears there is still a majority (or at least a a electoral college majority) for supporting Trump's Jurassic policies and infantile behaviour. He wouldn't get 10% in any other Western Democracy ( and would likely struggle in some places with very little democratic experience). The problem in the US is that they have one major party who are still absolutely committed to policies that would make them a extremist fringe party anywhere else (Guns - using a law written in 1789 to justify gun fanatics and psychos being allowed to keep assault weapons has to be the most ridiculous political/judicial conceit of all time, Healthcare - having the richest country in the world not provide universal healthcare and have the very people who need that healthcare continue to vote against shows how the cult of parties is beyond logic)
well this is a solid post and has bits that I agree and disagree with. I agree with you on the absurdity of not having universal healthcare. That basically comes down to priorities, it could be done with certain cuts in certain areas like military funding for example. The healthcare part of your post is a good point because if Bernie had been the nominee instead of Hillary more leftists would have come out to support Bernie, Hillary was very lukewarm and unconvincing on healthcare, and healthcare is a major major issue in the US.

I disagree that Trump would not generate more than 10% of the vote in any other Western democracy. it may be easy to say that, but there has been a rise in right wing populism in Europe, and essentially candidate Trump was all about populism. As far as Trump's current support goes, I think that his support even within his rabid base has clearly declined and probably only about 35% of the country supports Trump, if that.

I have been around guns my entire life and haven't seen any violence by family members or friends by way of gun, and while I am in favor of expanded background checks and more gun control, I am still pro gun. It is difficult to find any middle ground on this issue, and the lack of compromise from both sides has become deeply problematic.
 

Ar558a

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Hmm maybe but he wouldn't be competitive in any other civilised nation even if he breached double figures.

Coming from a country where guns basically don't exist it is very hard to understand why any right minded person would support their legal status when the damage they cause is on the news every night. It seems as though many Americans seem to entertain the fantasy that they need to protect themselves from a "police state" despite this not having occurred in any other western democracy. Ultimately, I think it comes down to the fact that a lot of american's just like guns and they are willing to sacrifice 30,000 of their fellow citizens lives every year to keep them.
 
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tommygun711

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Hmm maybe but he wouldn't be competitive in any other civilised nation even if he breached double figures.

Coming from a country where guns basically don't exist it is very hard to understand why any right minded person would support their legal status when the damage they cause is on the news every night. It seems as though many Americans seem to entertain the fantasy that they need to protect themselves from a "police state" despite this not having occurred in any other western democracy. Ultimately, I think it comes down to the fact that a lot of american's just like guns and they are willing to sacrifice 30,000 of their fellow citizens lives every year to keep them.
I understand if someone doesn't love guns, but the fact is that there are more guns than people in America right now, so I find it hard to outright ban them. I just don't find it realistic. If it were up to me I would eradicate guns from existence, but that is not possible since I don't have a magic wand.
 
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Hmm maybe but he wouldn't be competitive in any other civilised nation even if he breached double figures.

Coming from a country where guns basically don't exist it is very hard to understand why any right minded person would support their legal status when the damage they cause is on the news every night. It seems as though many Americans seem to entertain the fantasy that they need to protect themselves from a "police state" despite this not having occurred in any other western democracy. Ultimately, I think it comes down to the fact that a lot of american's just like guns and they are willing to sacrifice 30,000 of their fellow citizens lives every year to keep them.

I am in the middle on the gun issue. I have never touched one but I like the fact that someone who might break into my house has to worry about me having one.
Let's do the math on guns deaths. How many are suicides and how many are city hood rats?
 
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Yeah, look at that soft oriental having empathy and crying about kids dying.

Yeah look at the actor fake crying to try to get women's vote. Total BS and he is a clown. Did you cry because of it? If not does that mean he has more empathy?

BTW what the heck does his being oriental have to do with anything. You just screamed that you are a ridiculous liberal.
 
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Haggis

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Yeah look at the actor fake crying to try to get women's vote. Total BS and he is a clown. Did you cry because of it? If not does that mean he has more empathy?
Why the reflexive hatred? :conf

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