Who is going to be the Democrat nominee in 2020?

Beefcake

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Do me favor just to pin this all down. List all of the free programs and free shit that you want to see. Put it all out there.
It's not "free" when it's paid for by taxes, genius.

Admit it. You're just a selfish motherfucker. I'm willing to bet you'd be all in favor of tuition-free college if you hadn't already paid for your children's educations; but they're done now, and you've already paid what you put into it, so fuck making it easier for everyone else, right?

I don't hear you bitching about anything else that is already funded by taxes and managed by the government.
 
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It's not "free" when it's paid for by taxes, genius.

Admit it. You're just a selfish motherfucker. I'm willing to bet you'd be all in favor of tuition-free college if you hadn't already paid for your children's educations; but they're done now, and you've already paid what you put into it, so fuck making it easier for everyone else, right?

I don't hear you bitching about anything else that is already funded by taxes and managed by the government.
And making things easier for everyone else is taking money from me and others. It will lead to 2-4 year vacations for anyone who wants it on my dime. It will lead to waste.

I asked for a list. Lets see it.
 

Beefcake

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And making things easier for everyone else is taking money from me and others. It will lead to 2-4 year vacations for anyone who wants it on my dime. It will lead to waste.

I asked for a list. Lets see it.
Yeah, that's how social programs are funded. You just proved me right. You're a selfish motherfucker, and fucking stupid to boot. I'll bet you'll wind up collecting social security and tell yourself you're not a hypocrite because you paid into it...via taxes, like everyone else.

Healthcare and college education could and should be funded the same way.
 
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Yeah, that's how social programs are funded. You just proved me right. You're a selfish motherfucker, and fucking stupid to boot. I'll bet you'll wind up collecting social security and tell yourself you're not a hypocrite because you paid into it...via taxes, like everyone else.

Healthcare and college education could and should be funded the same way.

There you go with that tactic. If there are any programs then nobody can say no to any program. In case you have not noticed keeping SS going is a huge struggle.

If not wanting to be taxed to death makes me selfish than yes I like most people are selfish. I can listen to healthcare because it it so life and death but hell no to college. You have not even tried to deny that it will be me paying for 2-4 year vacations for everyone. Plus if everyone has a college degree than they will be totally worthless.

With healthcare the first thing that needs to be done is lowering the cost of care. At the cost now tax payers could not pay for free health care for everyone. I have told you my solution for now but of course nobody listens.
 

Haggis

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I couldn't imagine being impressed with AOC.
I don't like her. She puts ideology above reality,and views every single issue through an extremely narrow ideological lens. Her fringe position is 100% right and everyone who doesn't completely line up with her is 100% wrong. I don't like politicians like that, whether they are AOC or Ron Paul.

:hat
 

Haggis

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There you go with that tactic. If there are any programs then nobody can say no to any program. In case you have not noticed keeping SS going is a huge struggle.

If not wanting to be taxed to death makes me selfish than yes I like most people are selfish. I can listen to healthcare because it it so life and death but hell no to college. You have not even tried to deny that it will be me paying for 2-4 year vacations for everyone. Plus if everyone has a college degree than they will be totally worthless.
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"Taxed to death."

You would have been taxed more in the '50s, the golden era that you want to return to.

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"Taxed to death."

You would have been taxed more in the '50s, the golden era that you want to return to.

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I am not living the 50's I am living now and I know where I am and how much taxes I pay now. I am like millions of other people.
 
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I don't like her. She puts ideology above reality,and views every single issue through an extremely narrow ideological lens. Her fringe position is 100% right and everyone who doesn't completely line up with her is 100% wrong. I don't like politicians like that, whether they are AOC or Ron Paul.

:hat

Yeah she just basically calls everyone a racist or a sexist who doesn't agree with her 100%. That is her message.
 

Beefcake

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There you go with that tactic. If there are any programs then nobody can say no to any program. In case you have not noticed keeping SS going is a huge struggle.

If not wanting to be taxed to death makes me selfish than yes I like most people are selfish. I can listen to healthcare because it it so life and death but hell no to college. You have not even tried to deny that it will be me paying for 2-4 year vacations for everyone. Plus if everyone has a college degree than they will be totally worthless.

With healthcare the first thing that needs to be done is lowering the cost of care. At the cost now tax payers could not pay for free health care for everyone. I have told you my solution for now but of course nobody listens.
Yes, Pete. Because tuition is the only expense college students have. Other financial obligations will magically get put on hold as soon they enroll in a state-funded tuition-free public university, allowing them to spend several years living a life of leisure... Dipshit.

It's disgusting how cunts like you will talk shit about younger generations lacking ambition and becoming more and more dependent on their parents, do nothing as they continue to get fucked by the system that keeps wages low while the cost of everything else skyrockets, and scoff at the idea of helping them out because it will cost you a little more money in taxes.

You act as if you're being asked to pay someone's $30-40k tuition costs in full.

You act as if we want the poor and middle classes to take the brunt of the costs, when we're also advocating that taxes on the rich are raised to what they were for most of the 20th century (70+%) before that cunt Reagan and every cunt since kept lowering their tax rates.

Not only that, but to my knowledge, you've been silent about our overblown defense budget and industry bailouts. We could redistribute about $150 billion from defense each year to provide tuition-free four-year public university education and eliminate the country's existing medical debt at the same time, while still outspending the next highest defense budget (China) by about $400 billion.

Would you also be opposed to that as well?
 
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Beefcake

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I don't like her. She puts ideology above reality,and views every single issue through an extremely narrow ideological lens. Her fringe position is 100% right and everyone who doesn't completely line up with her is 100% wrong. I don't like politicians like that, whether they are AOC or Ron Paul.

:hat
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez = A GODDESS!!!!!

What are some examples in which you feel she has placed ideology over "reality" (which I assume you meant as applicability)?

Moderates seem to use "reality" as a stand-in terminology for the status quo. It allows them to react passively to issues which require substantial improvement because "that's just the way it is now", and they're too fucking worried about how a substantial response may affect them next election cycle.
 

tommygun711

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez = A GODDESS!!!!!

What are some examples in which you feel she has placed ideology over "reality" (which I assume you meant as applicability)?

Moderates seem to use "reality" as a stand-in terminology for the status quo. It allows them to react passively to issues which require substantial improvement because "that's just the way it is now", and they're too fucking worried about how a substantial response may affect them next election cycle.
The Green New Deal is an example of AOC being extremely idealistic.

kind of goes too far imo.
 

tommygun711

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Which part specifically goes too far?
Look, I agree with the overall idea of shifting more towards green energy, but some of the stuff in the GND that she wants to implement just isnt going to happen.

I don't have a lot of specifics off of the top of my head, admittedly, but suggesting that every building in America converts to clean energy by 2030 (or whenever it is) is not realistic. Neither is "economic security to all unable/unwilling to work". Phasing out internal combustion engines, zero carbon airplanes... I mean, alot of it is pie in the sky stuff. Eliminating fossil fuels overtime.. I think I read this would cost over 2 trillion dollars? I dunno, it just seems more idealistic than practical.

again I am not one of these idiots that blindly hates AOC, she is anti war which I appreciate but this GND goes too far imo.