Who is history's all-time greatest military leader?

Sittin Sonny

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Alexander was the Ray Robinson of generals - he's just in a league of his own. His conquest of the Persian empire with such a relatively small army is the greatest P4P feat in military history.
 
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So each of them when they assembled their best ever army fucked it up and come back with 10% of it then lose their next two big battles against the big boys?
you keep moving the goalposts ernest

you asked for 'great' generals who lost like numbers of men

I gave you that

you THEN asked for great generals who lost like PROPORTIONS of men

I gave you that

now its 'best army ever' and 'lost next two big battles'?

come on man,give it a rest

as an aside,the army he brought into russia wasnt 'the best ever'..............it was kinda shit compared to earlier armies,in fact..........largely due to the massive proportion of foreign troops in it....................as well as the losses he had been suffering before that time

like comparing the NAZI army of 1941 to that of 1943................dilution of talent,losses among jr officers and the like did far more damage than sheer numbers could ever fix

Napoleons greatest work was with purely french armies..........his early victories,his mid empire wins and the 100 days where he did more with less than pretty much any general since...........

Let me suggest 'The Life of Napoleon I' by John Holland Rose for a great one volume [or two,depending on the copy you find] work that details his military and political career,eh?
 
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100% this was the biggest army he ever put together and he fucked it.
And when he faced half decent generals like Wellington and Boucher at Waterloo and Leipzig he lost.
yeah well I can put lots of wins of him against that
Wins where his opponents had more man etc etc

not saying he is the best ever but he certainly deserves a mention
At least imho
 
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Alexander was the Ray Robinson of generals - he's just in a league of his own. His conquest of the Persian empire with such a relatively small army is the greatest P4P feat in military history.
no it’s not....

first of his smaller army was way more proffesional then the Persians.
Its a bit as if usa Koreawar troops fought 1940 German troops

secondly as stated before in his 2 biggest battles issos and gaugamela he had huge huge luck.
If Darius kept his nerves and did not run then half his army would not have run...

alex was great very great but imho not the best ever..

also take in accountant he always fought in the frontline..

As heroic as that is that is totally wrong for several reasons.. first of : you loose the overview as a commander. And as a commander you need the overview.
Secondly you bring yourself as leader and motivator and inspiration to the troops in unnessacesary danger
 

Sittin Sonny

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Anyway Henry V Agincourt alone. Easily puts him in top 5.
Can't believe it took until Page 4 for his name to come up.


Baibars of the 13th-century Mamelukes also deserves consideration (though he seldom ever gets it) during these discussions. The guy was a total badass - he whupped both the Crusades AND the Mongols and effectively reshaped the Middle East during his heyday.
 
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Can't believe it took until Page 4 for his name to come up.


Baibars of the 13th-century Mamelukes also deserves consideration (though he seldom ever gets it) during these discussions. The guy was a total badass - he whupped both the Crusades AND the Mongols and effectively reshaped the Middle East during his heyday.
you do know he outnumbered the crusaders and at Ain Jalut he also outnumbered the mongols

he was a very good military leader but beating opponents when you outnumber them doesn’t score you much points in my book
 

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Leroy Jenkins isn't getting his just due in this thread. He got his men to follow him straight into battle, even though they clearly didn't want to go. That kind of leadership, on the prepice of a great conflict is rare and should be duly appreciated.
 

Sittin Sonny

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no it’s not....

first of his smaller army was way more proffesional then the Persians.
Its a bit as if usa Koreawar troops fought 1940 German troops
It wasn't simply a matter of being "more professional," it was the fact that Alexander maneuvered his troops to get the style matchups that he wanted. Persian chariots were still very effective against cavalry, but Alexander maneuvered his infantry and javelin throwers opposite the chariots, as they were better suited to withstand their charge.


secondly as stated before in his 2 biggest battles issos and gaugamela he had huge huge luck.
If Darius kept his nerves and did not run then half his army would not have run...
Darius fled because Alexander's maneuvers succeeded in opening up a gap in the Persian center, and Darius himself was on the verge of being killed or captured both times, which would've led to the same outcome.
 
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