Who were your favorite fighters who never really went that far?

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Back in the 70's they had a guy fighting out of California I believe that went by Armando Muniz and had a decent career. He fought 4 times for the Welterweight Title, but lost all 4.

A few years back they had a young kid named Francisco Bajado that quit after 21 bouts having gone 2-2 in his last 4 fights. He fought from 01-07 and just dropped out of sight. He was being touted at one time as the next best thing in boxing at his weight class.

Then there was this kid named Billy Collins that got robbed of his career when Luis Resto, trained by Panama Lewis, beat the crap out of him and after the fight it was discovered Resto's gloves had been tampered with and a lot of the padding had been removed. Collins never fought again after that fight and until then had a 14-0 record with 11 KO's. Their fight was ruled a No Contest and Resto and Lewis were found guilty of criminal charges and banned from boxing.
Did you see the documentary on the aftermath that fight? A hard watch, it actually follows Resto and at first I was worried it might paint him as too sympathetic a character, but I think the documentary maker did a great job. Resto kept insisting he didn't know the gloves were loaded but eventually admits that he did, which doesn't look too good but when you watch the whole thing I think Resto was in a state of denial, his life completely fell apart and he was a very sorry sight to behold, I do think he has genuine remorse over what happened...Panama Lewis on the other hand made my flesh creep, an evil and disgusting creature. It also raises some uncomfortable questions about Collins Sr. Jrs wife and even the doctor who treated him say Collins could have fought on, but apparently his father wouldn't let him because it might affect the lawsuit, his wife says without boxing Collins became a full blown alcoholic, had a breakdown and she was even worried he might kill her it got so bad, that's when he committed suicide in his car.
 
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His chin in the Kessler fight was something else, Kessler was a monster puncher and he beat Andrade from pillar to post with flush shots the whole fight, he was deceptively good at rolling with punches

Vaguely recall that beating. Not unlike McCullough and Harrison. McCulloughs chin was otherworldly.
 
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Did you see the documentary on the aftermath that fight? A hard watch, it actually follows Resto and at first I was worried it might paint him as too sympathetic a character, but I think the documentary maker did a great job. Resto kept insisting he didn't know the gloves were loaded but eventually admits that he did, which doesn't look too good but when you watch the whole thing I think Resto was in a state of denial, his life completely fell apart and he was a very sorry sight to behold, I do think he has genuine remorse over what happened...Panama Lewis on the other hand made my flesh creep, an evil and disgusting creature. It also raises some uncomfortable questions about Collins Sr. Jrs wife and even the doctor who treated him say Collins could have fought on, but apparently his father wouldn't let him because it might affect the lawsuit, his wife says without boxing Collins became a full blown alcoholic, had a breakdown and she was even worried he might kill her it got so bad, that's when he committed suicide in his car.

Yep, "Assault In The Ring" was the title of the documentary on that fight. And just as you posted is how I saw it with Resto in denial but coming to finally admit his part in it. They followed him around a good bit and he had a shit life from what they showed. He lost his ability to make money fighting but didn't seem to have much to fall back on in terms of gainful employment.

As for Panama Lewis, he's a piece of shit and had been for a while before that as he was in Aaron Pryor's corner when the fought Alexis Arguello for the title and beat him. At one point, late in the fight, Lewis asked for the "special bottle" to give Pryor a drink from and he came on like a new man after that.

True that Billy's dad had a lot to do with him not fighting after that bout since they had several lawsuits pending and if I recall correctly, they didn't win a single one of them to get monetary compensation.

Not much doubt in my mind he committed suicide while driving drunk that night.

I believe in my post about this I mentioned seeing that fight live on TV and when Billy's dad felt Resto's gloves when he went over to their corner to shake their hands, he knew something was up and immediately got the referee's attention and things went from there.
 
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Yep, "Assault In The Ring" was the title of the documentary on that fight. And just as you posted is how I saw it with Resto in denial but coming to finally admit his part in it. They followed him around a good bit and he had a shit life from what they showed. He lost his ability to make money fighting but didn't seem to have much to fall back on in terms of gainful employment.

As for Panama Lewis, he's a piece of shit and had been for a while before that as he was in Aaron Pryor's corner when the fought Alexis Arguello for the title and beat him. At one point, late in the fight, Lewis asked for the "special bottle" to give Pryor a drink from and he came on like a new man after that.

True that Billy's dad had a lot to do with him not fighting after that bout since they had several lawsuits pending and if I recall correctly, they didn't win a single one of them to get monetary compensation.

Not much doubt in my mind he committed suicide while driving drunk that night.

I believe in my post about this I mentioned seeing that fight live on TV and when Billy's dad felt Resto's gloves when he went over to their corner to shake their hands, he knew something was up and immediately got the referee's attention and things went from there.
Billys friend talks about the crash in the doc IIRC he was in the car with him and he was very drunk refusing to hand his keys over, think he recalls Billy saying 'I'm going to kill us both' before crashing the car and thankfully the friend survived but yeah looks like a definate suicide. Resto also says the 'special bottle' had inhaler powder in it to open the lungs
 
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Ajose Olusegun for me. Finally got his shot in America late in his career but ultimately just wasn't good enough. Genuinely thought he would have went further.
His old manager used to post on ESB saying how hard it was to get a fight for him, was a great prospect but think his chance came a bit too late like you say
 
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Mijares was a big lesson for a young fan like myself (at the time) to never fully invest yourself in the hype. He had the skills, but I mistook his cockiness for poise, and his lack of power would've always hurt him given how often he stayed well within punching range of his opponent.

Among older fighters, I love watching Pat Barrett. UK 140 pounder who never really got past Euro level, but I've never seen a more explosive puncher at that weight class. Julian Jackson type knockouts.
 
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Difficult to imagine this guy had over 70 losses, one of lifes crazy characters apparently, had exactly 100 fights and exactly 500 rounds, decent money to top off the full time work
 
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Czech HW Martin Stensky. (AKA "The Stench," to his many fans.)

I'm sad to see he recently retired from the sport. His impressive pro record includes 48 fights and 46 KO's.


I really thought he'd make it to 50. :hat
 
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Grzegorz Proksa

I thought dude was the real deal. I was wrong. Had a few good fights and whipped Sebastian Sylvester's ass in Germany was a sweet victory. I actually picked him to beat Golovkin :sad2:sad2
 

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I don't think I ever outright believed he'd win a world title but I enjoyed John Duddy's career. Was in some good fights and was a decent name in the sport but just didn't have the talent to go to the next level.

Andy Lee at one point was probably my favourite fighter. Manny Steward fuckin loved the bloke and had one shot KO power. Lee won a title eventually in another come from behind knockout win but I believe his real ability never showed in the ring. Not saying he was a hidden genius or anything but I believe Lee was one of those who was far better in the gym sparring than he was under the lights.
Lee's lead hand hook really didn't look that big a punch but it was a night ender for many.
 

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Somebody already mentioned Denis Boytsov. So, then I will throw in Zeljko Mavrovic. He was beating up people on the undercards of Axel Schulz and Henry Maske on German TV. Was quite a banger in the 90s. Got his chance against Lennox, lost fair and square and wide and was never seen again.
 
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Then there was this kid named Billy Collins that got robbed of his career when Luis Resto, trained by Panama Lewis, beat the crap out of him and after the fight it was discovered Resto's gloves had been tampered with and a lot of the padding had been removed. Collins never fought again after that fight and until then had a 14-0 record with 11 KO's. Their fight was ruled a No Contest and Resto and Lewis were found guilty of criminal charges and banned from boxing.