Why did Joshua lose?

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I'm shocked to find out that Ruiz beat Joshua last night. Why did Joshua lose? Was he not prepared, since Ruiz was a replacement for Miller, is Ruiz a bad style match-up for him, or is Joshua just not as good as advertised?
 

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He got hit with 2 left hooks when he tried to finish Ruiz. The 2nd hook sent him down. By round 3 he was exhausted.
He looked puzzled, lethargic and insecure from the onset though.
It also seemed they had no game plan whatsoever and he was lacking in super basic stuff like head movement and (proper) jabs.
 
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He didn't use his jab enough against a much shorter and slower moving fighter. Ruiz also had too much heart and chin to let that 1 knockdown deter him. He also has fast hands and Joshua letting him get inside to use those fast hands are what did him in.
 
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He lost because despite his height he isnt really good in outboxing a shorter pressure fighter. A past prime Povetkin also gave him big problems until he gassed out himself. So Ruiz just chinned Joshua in mid range because he had the sharper and faster hands. Also Joshua is pretty chinny and not good in recovering after getting hurt.
 
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Its simple dont trade with Ruiz its too risky, Joshua knocked down Ruiz in the first exchange in the second exchange it was Joshua that was hurt plus the punch landed on his temple he didnt recover
 
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I don't think Ruiz is slower than Joshua, he was obviously waiting for Joshua to stand and fire, so he can fire back with his faster hands. And obviosuly he was cautious of Joshua's heavy hands.
 
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A lot of "ifs" and "maybes" surrounding this fight right now.

Was it a bad style matchup?

Was Joshua overrated?

Was Ruiz underrated?

Was Joshua uncomfortable fighting abroad for the first time in his career?

Was he disheartened/distracted by the announcements regarding Wilder, Fury, and Ortiz?

We probably won't get definitive answers to these questions until we see what each fighter does going forward.
 

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I'm shocked to find out that Ruiz beat Joshua last night. Why did Joshua lose? Was he not prepared, since Ruiz was a replacement for Miller, is Ruiz a bad style match-up for him, or is Joshua just not as good as advertised?
He was a bit too anxious to outdo Wilder's recentl devastation of Breazle, and make a big splash on his first outing in the US.

When he caught Andy with a decent left hook and gave him his first ever trip to the canvas, he overestimated how badly Andy was hurt.

Which was....not too badly at all.

He then got into a slugfest with the heavier, faster, stronger Mexican and got his own ticket to the floor.

Difference was, Andy caught AJ hard on the top of the head, above the ear, and AJ WAS hurt.

He never really recovered after that, and failed to keep Andy at distance.

Three further trips to the canvas and the ref (and I daresay AJ too) had seen enough.




In the rematch, I would make AJ the very slight favourite. He will fight tall, use his jab, and avoid getting into a slugfest with Ruiz, a slugfest he can't win.


If he is incapable of that gameplan, there's a very good chance he will lose again.

The fat man can't be taken lightly, no pun intended.

















In other news, Vitali was heard over breakfast this morning, musing about a comeback.
 
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I don't think Ruiz is slower than Joshua, he was obviously waiting for Joshua to stand and fire, so he can fire back with his faster hands. And obviosuly he was cautious of Joshua's heavy hands.
Ruiz is freakishly fast for a big guy.

Ruiz was a high risk low reward fight, this loss don't affect my view of Joshua
 
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Rewatched some with my dad. Ruiz Jr. was just not going to lose. He took some sickening shots from Joshua and stood up to them. I think those were the same ones that stopped Povetkin. Hell, they would've stopped a lot of fighters. Ruiz Jr. is a weird fighter. Guy is like those blobs in Baldur's Gate... or another game I remember, that only get stronger the more you hit them :lol:.
 
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Rewatched some with my dad. Ruiz Jr. was just not going to lose. He took some sickening shots from Joshua and stood up to them. I think those were the same ones that stopped Povetkin. Hell, they would've stopped a lot of fighters. Ruiz Jr. is a weird fighter. Guy is like those blobs in Baldur's Gate... or another game I remember, that only get stronger the more you hit them :lol:.
That's definitely part of it. Ruiz has an unreal chin.

I just can't figure out why AJ decided to fight from mid-range & close. Why trade with a guy that has a short reach, slow feet, but fast hands?
I was never an AJ fan, but he's been steadily improving with every fight. Last night was NOT the AJ anyone could have expected. Just saying that he got buzzed & never recovered doesn't quite explain it.

A small part of me thinks it was a dive, but I can't see why they would have done that. AJ would make the same $$$ no matter who he fights, short of Wilder, so no need to create some bullshit trilogy. The fight MUSt have been legit.
- In which case, McKraken needs to leave this planet Earth and never show his face in public again.
 

DB Cooper

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If you listen to McCracken's corner instructions he was telling Joshua to "jab, jab up, jab down" - all the right instructions - but Joshua just didn't, or couldn't, execute it.

What is the point of having an 8 inch reach advantage if you don't use it?
 
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If you listen to McCracken's corner instructions he was telling Joshua to "jab, jab up, jab down" - all the right instructions - but Joshua just didn't, or couldn't, execute it.

What is the point of having an 8 inch reach advantage if you don't use it?
Ego probably kicked in. We could have a different result if AJ decides to box, but Ruiz was definitely overlooked in this fight for whatever reason
 

DB Cooper

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Ego probably kicked in. We could have a different result if AJ decides to box, but Ruiz was definitely overlooked in this fight for whatever reason
Quite possibly, and if Joshua follows instructions and uses his head he may fair better in the rematch. But I think he is up against it with this guy.
 

DB Cooper

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That's definitely part of it. Ruiz has an unreal chin.

I just can't figure out why AJ decided to fight from mid-range & close. Why trade with a guy that has a short reach, slow feet, but fast hands?
I was never an AJ fan, but he's been steadily improving with every fight. Last night was NOT the AJ anyone could have expected. Just saying that he got buzzed & never recovered doesn't quite explain it.

A small part of me thinks it was a dive, but I can't see why they would have done that. AJ would make the same $$$ no matter who he fights, short of Wilder, so no need to create some bullshit trilogy. The fight MUSt have been legit.
- In which case, McKraken needs to leave this planet Earth and never show his face in public again.
Not sure how much McCracken is to blame. Listen to McCracken's corner instructions. He was telling Joshua round after round to "jab, jab up, jab down." But Joshua didn't, or couldn't, execute what he was being told.