Why is Duran's resume so underrated specifically pre-SRL?

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Obviously talking pre-SRL win here which catapulted him. Is it because most people don't know the guys from his LW reign and when he was weight hopping back then? People seem to think Duran was just obviously an immense GOATish level talent on his skills and ability but had a thin resume before SRL and his legend was primarily on that win along with wright jumping feats against Davey Moore and Barkley

Ernesto Marcel
Ken Buchanan
Estaban DeJesus
Carlos Palomino
Hiroshi Kobayashi
Pipino Cuevas
Emiliano Vila
Ray Lampkin
Guts Ishimatsu
Lou Bizarro
Hector Thompson
Vilomar Fernandez
Edwin Viruet
Leoncio Ortiz
Joseph Nsubuga
Saoul Mamby

Please let me know if I've missed any crucial names off Duran's 70 something scalps pre-SRL.

Maybe not a lot of sexy names but a handful of those dudes are borderline ATGs in their own right (Marcel, EDJ, Buchanan, Palomino, Kobayashi) who compare very favorably and were better than almost anyone near their weights of the past few decades. Duran was already doing weight jumping by stomping on some top ranked JWWs fun fact he has more ranked wins at that weight than Floyd/Manny combined. Marcel and Vilomar were the only 2 dudes to beat fucking ATG and GOAT SFW Alexis Arguello in a decade before the Pryor wars and Vilomar probably robbed us of Duran/Arguello which is basically one of only 2 (Cervantes) fights during Duran's LW reign pundits might say should've happened or we missed on
 
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Kobayashi was nowhere near "borderline ATG" status, but yes, his early resume does tend to get underrated. Same with Monzon's.
 
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Kobayashi was nowhere near "borderline ATG" status, but yes, his early resume does tend to get underrated. Same with Monzon's.
How come? He dethroned and destroyed a prime Numata was tearing through SFW for many years including 7 or 8 defenses. After he relinquished the title Numata won it again and beat some great names including Lionel Rose, Elorde and Barrientos.

Numata
Amaya x2
Valladares
Seki
Aoki
Canete
Arrendodo
Barrientos
Kang Suh

is a damn good resume IMO.

Is there anyone else you would put borderline ATG from Durans resume besides Marcel, Buchanan, Palomino and EDJ?
 
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Yeah, Cuevas is a better shout than Kobayashi. Names on resumes need context. Look at the time these fights took place. Numata wasn't some world beater, either. Good scalp, but far removed from the other names mentioned. Hell, Ishimatsu was probably just as good.
 
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Considering he is a consensus pick for top 10 ATG, I question the idea that Duran's LW reign is underrated. He certainly didn't garner such a ranking purely by going 1-2 against SRL and beating Barkley.
Among historians and online posters for sure but for more casuals (Im not sure hes consensus top 10 for them) they just know him for beating Leonard and winning the WW, LMW and MW titles against him, Moore and Barkley. I dont feel like his LW reign (and even some WWs he beat pre SRL) is appreciated enough since there arent really sexy/popular names on it.
 
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Among historians and online posters for sure but for more casuals (Im not sure hes consensus top 10 for them) they just know him for beating Leonard and winning the WW, LMW and MW titles against him, Moore and Barkley. I dont feel like his LW reign (and even some WWs he beat pre SRL) is appreciated enough since there arent really sexy/popular names on it.
I found many of Duran's performances at 135 to be a little underwhelming if I am honest, but there's no question he beat some very good fighters there. You've listed all of them.
 
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Palomino might have low key been his best performance. That one tends to fly under the radar.
 
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Palomino might have low key been his best performance. That one tends to fly under the radar.
Was Palomino still regarded as a top 10 P4P fighter when they fought? I know he was before the Benitez fight and that fight was a very competitive 9-6 type fight. Duran battered Palomino everywhere, looked as flawless as you can offensively and defensively and damn near shut out Palomino through 15
 
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Was Palomino still regarded as a top 10 P4P fighter when they fought? I know he was before the Benitez fight and that fight was a very competitive 9-6 type fight. Duran battered Palomino everywhere and damn, looked as flawless as you can offensively and defensively and damn near shut out Palomino through 15
Not sure off the top of the head. Doubt he was top 10 pound for pound, but he was still in his prime and a very dangerous fighter that was naturally bigger than Duran.

Duran took every Mexican personally. Just wanted everyone to know that nobody was harder than him. Thing is, he was way too skilled to play it that way. Like he was just some bruiser. He wanted that perception, but he was so far above anyone else skill wise on top of that. I'm not even sure he knew it. He was THE natural.
 
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Not sure off the top of the head. Doubt he was top 10 pound for pound, but he was still in his prime and a very dangerous fighter that was naturally bigger than Duran.

Duran took every Mexican personally. Just wanted everyone to know that nobody was harder than him. Thing is, he was way too skilled to play it that way. Like he was just some bruiser. He wanted that perception, but he was so far above anyone else skill wise on top of that. I'm not even sure he knew it. He was THE natural.
Definitely. I always found it interesting how he treated Mexicans, never really acknowledged them. Very likely bad blood stemming from his relationship with his father
 
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I always thought it was the opposite. His reputation was forged by being an atg lightweight followed by the first SRL fight, and all the stuff after that was just gravy.

You are right that his post lightweight career it is the stuff that gets talked about/ shown more. I guess that's because it includes bigger names, and English speaking American ones at that.
 
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Not sure off the top of the head. Doubt he was top 10 pound for pound, but he was still in his prime and a very dangerous fighter that was naturally bigger than Duran.

Duran took every Mexican personally. Just wanted everyone to know that nobody was harder than him. Thing is, he was way too skilled to play it that way. Like he was just some bruiser. He wanted that perception, but he was so far above anyone else skill wise on top of that. I'm not even sure he knew it. He was THE natural.
Are we talking about 135lbs specifically?
 

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yeah I wouldnt really say his resume pre Leonard is underrated.

hes recognized as the greatest lightweight of all time.