Wilder vs Fury 2 Debate

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Good input from Fury,Haye and Paulie, but Bunce better with a mute button.

Surprised how some think it will be a hugely improved Wilder at 35,his skill levels have never been elite and still think it's all about the Equaliser.

Pauli once again shows his excellent tactical thinking and makes good points.
 
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Wilder will smash this one, he was unprepared the first time and has always fared better in rematches.

Yes so has Fury but Fury doesn't have the power I suspect. And he's switched trainers.
 
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I'm rooting for Wilder, but I'm not confidence enough in his boxing skills to put money on him. To be quite honest, this fight worries me a lot.
My biggest takeaway from the first fight was Wilder didn't know how to handle Fury. I doubt that will happen again, sleep well and worry not!
 
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My biggest takeaway from the first fight was Wilder didn't know how to handle Fury. I doubt that will happen again, sleep well and worry not!
What will he change and do differently. He's never come across as a very intelligent boxer just a very gifted one. Even his own trainers have said he doesn't listen to instructions and he himself has said boxing skills are pointless and overrated. He's basically a one trick pony and even that wasn't to KO Fury last time as his best shots were not enough to keep him down.

Only way I see Wilder winning is if the judges rob Fury again, I just don't thing he has the ring smarts to out think Fury.
 
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It's a "pick 'em" fight

I would be just as little surprised to see Fury winning a decision as I would to see Wilder winning a later round knockout.
 
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After watching the fight again, how can Wilder knock Fury down twice.....two 10-8 rounds and the fight be a draw?

Not sure what will happen next but am sure Wilder won the first fight.
 
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After watching the fight again, how can Wilder knock Fury down twice.....two 10-8 rounds and the fight be a draw?

Not sure what will happen next but am sure Wilder won the first fight.
The 10-8 rounds won by Wilder were rounds 9 and 12. But Wilder needed to have won four of the other rounds to win the fight.

So which four rounds other than rounds 9 and 12 did you score for Wilder?
 
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The 10-8 rounds won by Wilder were rounds 9 and 12. But Wilder needed to have won four of the other rounds to win the fight.

So which four rounds other than rounds 9 and 12 did you score for Wilder?
Been scoring fights for a long time and am always right there with the actual decision. I don't recall the actual rounds but do remember never having either fighter more than a round ahead heading into the 9/12. Pretty much....Wilder, even, Fury, Wilder, even, Fury.

The only HUGE difference was Wilder 2 10-8 rounds giving him the win.
 
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Been scoring fights for a long time and am always right there with the actual decision. I don't recall the actual rounds but do remember never having either fighter more than a round ahead heading into the 9/12. Pretty much....Wilder, even, Fury, Wilder, even, Fury.

The only HUGE difference was Wilder 2 10-8 rounds giving him the win.
I think you're in the clear minority here, the vast majority had Fury winning by a clear margin. I had it a bit closer as there were rounds where there wasn't much between them like rounds 5 and 8. If you give Wilder every close round maybe he squeaks out a draw. I had him winning rounds 1, 4, 9, 12 plus the 2 knockdowns. So I had Fury winning by 2 rounds.

I've watched the fights with PBC commentary and BT commentary and I think the commentary does colour the scoring of the viewer. Both commentary teams favoured a fighter, BT favoured Fury and PBC favoured Wilder. But having watched both I scored both for Fury despite the bias. He stole many rounds where nothing much happened and whenever Wilder had any success he always responded and that always kept him in the rounds.

I think the body language after the final bell said it all. Fury lifts his arms up in victory and jumps on the corner ropes, Wilder doesn't even raise his hands to claim victory, probably believing he had lost.
 
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I think you're in the clear minority here, the vast majority had Fury winning by a clear margin. I had it a bit closer as there were rounds where there wasn't much between them like rounds 5 and 8. If you give Wilder every close round maybe he squeaks out a draw. I had him winning rounds 1, 4, 9, 12 plus the 2 knockdowns. So I had Fury winning by 2 rounds.

I've watched the fights with PBC commentary and BT commentary and I think the commentary does colour the scoring of the viewer. Both commentary teams favoured a fighter, BT favoured Fury and PBC favoured Wilder. But having watched both I scored both for Fury despite the bias. He stole many rounds where nothing much happened and whenever Wilder had any success he always responded and that always kept him in the rounds.

I think the body language after the final bell said it all. Fury lifts his arms up in victory and jumps on the corner ropes, Wilder doesn't even raise his hands to claim victory, probably believing he had lost.
Well, I along with most in the bar I watched the fight in had Wilder winning, so...? Yep, mostly black guys, ha!

It was a close fight, where one guy hit the canvas twice but still managed a draw.
 

kf3

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1st fight - draw or 1 rd fury are good cards imo, i think wilder def won 2 rds (witout the kd's) and a couple others were close, the bullshit in the 1st fight was the 1 card that had wilder winning by like 4 rds.

not got a pick yet, think a few things:
wilder hit fury a lot more than he did ortiz, don't let the southpaw match up mean much unless u think fury will fight that way(i don't, more risky)
fury should be in better shape, this would be a more decisive factor if it wasn't fury and i could write will be
instinct picks wilder by ko.
the variable is fury, tactics? shape?
 

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After watching the fight again, how can Wilder knock Fury down twice.....two 10-8 rounds and the fight be a draw?

Not sure what will happen next but am sure Wilder won the first fight.
Fury easily won every single round of that fight, he was so superior I feel like giving him the 2 rounds Wilder had knockdowns aswell, fury was robbed if you don't agree you need your eyes checked.
 
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Fury easily won every single round of that fight, he was so superior I feel like giving him the 2 rounds Wilder had knockdowns aswell, fury was robbed if you don't agree you need your eyes checked.
Outside of the two rounds Wilder knocked Fury down in it is hard to find another round for Wilder. Let alone the extra four he would have needed to have won to win the fight.
 
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kf3

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been a while since i watched it, don't remember the 2 rds but both were the first half and one was in rd 3-5 - fury barely threw a punch and wilder landed a couple bodyshots. shit round, but had to be wilder.
 

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Furys coont is getting punched right in for him.

Wilder went into the first fight angry, and fought a terrible tactical fight, but he STILL had Fury flat on his back twice, eyes rolling into the back of his head

Fury's best rounds were the ones he landed 3 more jabs than wilder in, Wilders best were the ones he flattened Fury in, and there were a few even rounds which were pick em'

Wilder won't fall for Fury's games again, he knows all he is a gangly featherfisted jitterbug who talks a lot, expect a calm, collected Wilder and expect Fury to be stretchered out