Wilder vs Fury 2 Debate

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I don’t know I would be more concerned about Wilder being an inferior boxer, and it’s not close.
An inferior boxer who landed just 16 punches less than Fury over 12 rounds. Basically one jab less per round.

Landing punches makes a good boxer, herky jerking and clumsy showboating are meaningless.
 
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Talk of 'training in the Kronk style' makes me think he's not approaching this right. He should be doing what he's best it, which is being unorthodox and a nightmare to read, whilst boxing and moving off the back foot.

I suspect he will do this regardless, and the Kronk and talk of power training is something of a mind-game. But fuck knows, he's clearly got carried away with his own ego in recent years. No way is he knocking wilder out.

If he boxes like he does in the first, and doesnt get bowled over, once with a dodgy count, then he'll win on the cards.

Either way can't wait, should be a belter.
 
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Talk of 'training in the Kronk style' makes me think he's not approaching this right. He should be doing what he's best it, which is being unorthodox and a nightmare to read, whilst boxing and moving off the back foot.

I suspect he will do this regardless, and the Kronk and talk of power training is something of a mind-game. But fuck knows, he's clearly got carried away with his own ego in recent years. No way is he knocking wilder out.

If he boxes like he does in the first, and doesnt get bowled over, once with a dodgy count, then he'll win on the cards.

Either way can't wait, should be a belter.
Fury hasn't got one punch ko power, but then Wilder arguably hasn't got the greatest chin in the world either.

Fury can definitely get the stoppage against Wilder, he was close to stopping him in the first fight. But much more likely to happen in the last 3 rounds, due to accumulation. Fury isn't blasting him out in 2 rounds.
 

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An inferior boxer who landed just 16 punches less than Fury over 12 rounds. Basically one jab less per round.

Landing punches makes a good boxer, herky jerking and clumsy showboating are meaningless.
punch stats are a lie. If you have been watching boxing for a year you should know.
Whenever there is a robbery the punch stats are out of whack.
 
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punch stats are a lie. If you have been watching boxing for a year you should know.
Whenever there is a robbery the punch stats are out of whack.
There are established guidelines for scoring the rounds of a boxing match and in them there is no reference made to punch stats. Rightly so too. Imagine judges mindlessly tallying punch stats instead of paying attention to who wins rounds.

I think punch stats can be of interest but no way should they be used in isolation in determining who should have won a fight.
 

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There are established guidelines for scoring the rounds of a boxing match and in them there is no reference made to punch stats. Rightly so too. Imagine judges mindlessly tallying punch stats instead of paying attention to who wins rounds.

I think punch stats can be of interest but no way should they be used in isolation in determining who should have won a fight.
Yeah things like "effective aggression and clean punching"

Again, herky jerking and clumsy showboating doesn't come into it.

Punches landed was almost equal, wilder render Fury limb from limb twice and splattered him on the canvas with his eyes rolling into the back of his head, Fury herky jerked, shouted "huh-huh" and clumsily showboated

I know what I think was more effective
 
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Yeah things like "effective aggression and clean punching"

Again, herky jerking and clumsy showboating doesn't come into it.

Punches landed was almost equal, wilder render Fury limb from limb twice and splattered him on the canvas with his eyes rolling into the back of his head, Fury herky jerked, shouted "huh-huh" and clumsily showboated

I know what I think was more effective
Wilder was highly effective in two rounds out of twelve and did little else. That isn't a case for winning a twelve round fight.
 
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There are established guidelines for scoring the rounds of a boxing match and in them there is no reference made to punch stats. Rightly so too. Imagine judges mindlessly tallying punch stats instead of paying attention to who wins rounds.

I think punch stats can be of interest but no way should they be used in isolation in determining who should have won a fight.
yeah real punch stats would be interesting. But who knows what the real punch stats are I think I counted the punches in a fight one time to prove a point and no one believed me.

The punch stats are fixed along with the fights plus commentators are in on it to, along with a lot of media.
 

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Wilder was highly effective in two rounds out of twelve and did little else. That isn't a case for winning a twelve round fight.
And the other 10 rounds were all fairly even with neither man too dominant except Fury had one good round
 
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An inferior boxer who landed just 16 punches less than Fury over 12 rounds. Basically one jab less per round.
Assuming that's true, and assuming the punches were evenly spread, that would, in theory, be enough to clearly win Fury the fight.

Effective punching is the primary determinant in boxing scoring. If Fury edged every round, other than those with the knockdowns, he wins the fight.

Doesn't matter that his rounds were all close. That's how boxing is scored.
 
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Assuming that's true, and assuming the punches were evenly spread, that would, in theory, be enough to clearly win Fury the fight.

Effective punching is the primary determinant in boxing scoring. If Fury edged every round, other than those with the knockdowns, he wins the fight.

Doesn't matter that his rounds were all close. That's how boxing is scored.
Your logic is going to waste there. You are arguing with a troll with an agenda.
 
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Been scoring fights for a long time and am always right there with the actual decision. I don't recall the actual rounds but do remember never having either fighter more than a round ahead heading into the 9/12. Pretty much....Wilder, even, Fury, Wilder, even, Fury.

The only HUGE difference was Wilder 2 10-8 rounds giving him the win.

I think this post confirms it. @Jay we need a dislike button mate.
 
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Scoring as a whole in boxing is retarded.

I punch you 50x.

You punch me 5x.

10-9 round me.


What

The

Actual

FUCK!!!!!
 
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Fury will win a more lop sided decision if he does not knock Wilder out . Fury is the one that is the smart boxer so it makes sense that he should do even better in the rematch.
It does yeah. I agree.

But Wilder does improve in rematches that's the X factor.

And that 2 inch thick scar on Fury's eye....good or bad Wilder can exploit that remember Cotto Vs Margarito 2?

I genuinely am hyper for this fight and whoever wins I'll be happy with the result.
 
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I think this post confirms it. @Jay we need a dislike button mate.
Some forums have software that takes into account the feedback given to posters (likes and dislikes) and assigns posters a visible rating. The biggest positive is that trolls are flagged for everyone to see and it automatically draws them to the attention of the mods too.