Wilder vs Fury 2 Debate

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Reminded me of the shot Morrison put on Ruddock in their fight. Amazing both these guys stood up.


That one landed with far more impact than the knockdown of fury, look at it again it was a flash knockdown fury is rolling with the punches they didn't connect anything close to this punch from Morrison.
 

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I think this post confirms it. @Jay we need a dislike button mate.
Some forums have software that takes into account the feedback given to posters (likes and dislikes) and assigns posters a visible rating. The biggest positive is that trolls are flagged for everyone to see and it automatically draws them to the attention of the mods too.
Not a fan of dislike buttons, imo it turns places into an even bigger echo chamber.
Just look at reddit.
 
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Scoring as a whole in boxing is retarded.

I punch you 50x.

You punch me 5x.

10-9 round me.


What

The

Actual

FUCK!!!!!
After you have watched boxing for oh 20 years or so ya pick upa few things.

Nothing retarded about scoring a fight at all, my dad scored fights he retired at 50 $$$$$$$$$$$ set for life.
 
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this means nothing and is not a response to the post you quoted.
Experience watching anything means everything. My wife has never watched a fight so if she did coud she score it,, of course not, why............no experience!!!!

The fight was real close, but.....Fury was knocked down twice......Wilder wins, just that simple.

Wilder wins and it won't be as close.
 

kf3

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Experience watching anything means everything. My wife has never watched a fight so if she did coud she score it,, of course not, why............no experience!!!!

The fight was real close, but.....Fury was knocked down twice......Wilder wins, just that simple.

Wilder wins and it won't be as close.
the other post you didn't actually read is saying that the 10pt must system is flawed, not whatever the fuck you responded to or are now blathering about.
 
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you fully understand boxing scoring but 2 kd's = win, simple. wtf?

the other post you didn't actually read is saying that the 10pt must system is flawed, not whatever the fuck you responded to.
you fully understand boxing scoring but 2 kd's = win, simple. wtf?

the other post you didn't actually read is saying that the 10pt must system is flawed, not whatever the fuck you responded to.
When a fight is as close as that one was yes the guy who hit the canvas twice is the loser. pretty much common sense.

No the 10 point must system isn't flawed actually it's perfect, so where you got flawed...????

Fury never won any round 10-8, Wilder had two 10-8 rounds, too play.....nay doesn't matter....is ridiculous, hell yes it matters.
 

kf3

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When a fight is as close as that one was yes the guy who hit the canvas twice is the loser. pretty much common sense.

No the 10 point must system isn't flawed actually it's perfect, so where you got flawed...????

Fury never won any round 10-8, Wilder had two 10-8 rounds, too play.....nay doesn't matter....is ridiculous, hell yes it matters.
trolling is awesome.
 

kf3

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'the 10 point must system is perfect'
'2kd's = that guy wins'

the same person understands the scoring system and thinks these 2 completely opposite things about it?

obviously that is impossible.
 
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'the 10 point must system is perfect'
'2kd's = that guy wins'

the same person understands the scoring system and thinks these 2 completely opposite things about it?

obviously that is impossible.
What aren't you getting, dude, not that complex, ok?

The fight was close,, I watched about 30 guys score the fight talking experience boxing fans, a few had a draw, most had a 1/2 point win for Wilde, a couple had Fury by a point, botom line......close fight. But in PRO boxing who delivered the most punishment is huge, and that was Wilder.

Something tells me this is more about geography than anything else. Where you from?
 
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Experience watching anything means everything. My wife has never watched a fight so if she did coud she score it,, of course not, why............no experience!!!!

The fight was real close, but.....Fury was knocked down twice......Wilder wins, just that simple.

Wilder wins and it won't be as close.
When a fight is as close as that one was yes the guy who hit the canvas twice is the loser. pretty much common sense.

No the 10 point must system isn't flawed actually it's perfect, so where you got flawed...????

Fury never won any round 10-8, Wilder had two 10-8 rounds, too play.....nay doesn't matter....is ridiculous, hell yes it matters.

Experience only matters to a certain point, plenty of official judges in fights who have score more fights than either of us have will sometimes get it horribly wrong. That's the thing about scoring a fight, it's subjective and so 2 people can watch the same fight and come to different conclusions.

Personally barring the knockdowns the fight wasn't close at all. Even in those KD rounds Fury would of won those rounds barring the KD's. The only reason this fight was close on the scorecards was because of those knockdowns, Fury dominated long periods of the fight and I had him winning by 2 rounds meaning he won 8 of the 12 rounds.

The official punch stats confirm this view of the fight. Fury out landed Wilder in 9 of the 12 rounds and even if we disregard jabs and only look at power punches Fury landed more and Wilder only landed more power punches in 2 of the 12 rounds, you can guess which rounds.

Of course punch stats shouldn't decide a fight, we saw how that worked in the amateur game with the computer scoring and it sucked. But it's a nice information to have which can help confirm or disprove how a fight was viewed.

Fury also was the more accurate fighter, Wilder threw 103 more punches but landed fewer, which paints a picture of a fight where Wilder was missing a lot and that in regards to ring generalship aspect of scoring, it matters. When one fighter makes the other miss time and time again, in a fight where punches landed is pretty similar it should swing a close round to the more elusive fighters favour as they are the one controlling the pace and direction of the fight.

Fact is Fury's ring generalship was superior to Wilder's. He was dictating the fight, he was the one fighting his usual style, making this a fight fought at a low pace and also fought in the centre of the ring for most of the fight, where he wanted. Things like this decide close rounds. Wilder as many of his supporters have said, fought badly, got too wild right from the start, didn't fight his usual fight, that should score against a fighter, he wasn't able to fight his type of fight, couldn't dictate terms or pace.

Also Wilder's jab was negated. He was forced to throw it to the body because he usually couldn't land it to the head. Again that shows Fury controlling an aspect of the fight and that in regards to ring generalship means he wins the closer rounds. Also I personally don't score jabs to the body as having the same value as jabs to the head, it's harder to land to the head so it's a more meaning punch if you care comparing jabs landed.

So if in a close round where there really isn't much difference in punches landed, if you are scoring for the fighter who is being made to miss more, having the pace dictated to him, being forced to fight in areas of the ring he prefers not to be in and being made to fight outside of his usual style then I'm sorry you're scoring the fight wrong in my opinion. But as I said scoring is subjective, would be interested to hear why you think Wilder was winning the close rounds where there wasn't much to divide them in shots landed.
 
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kf3

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What aren't you getting, dude, not that complex, ok?

The fight was close,, I watched about 30 guys score the fight talking experience boxing fans, a few had a draw, most had a 1/2 point win for Wilde, a couple had Fury by a point, botom line......close fight. But in PRO boxing who delivered the most punishment is huge, and that was Wilder.

Something tells me this is more about geography than anything else. Where you from?
been a wilder fan since he killed liakhovich.

picked him for the last fight, prob pick him for the rematch. you don't know shit about boxing and you don't know shit about me.

you obviously can't act like an actual person, but at least try to be a competent fucking troll.
 
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Deebo

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Show dem balls bro
I'm compelled to respond here with a real thought.

Fury needs to bring the bull. Big huge guy who has made a great career falling over and pushing and shit. The fuck? Grow some.

Wilder needs to zero in like he usually does. But there lies the problem. Zero in and you give up the guard. Mid pivoting is the reason they can't get in. Feet, gut and head.

Fury's head is as big as those Easter Island heads too. Big headed motherfucker!
 

Deebo

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Show dem balls bro
I'm sorry I meant to finish that thought off with I hope they both knock each other out. Simultaneously. We see it all the time on the You Tube but we can't make it happen here? What the fuck do you guys have us waiting here for?? :mad
 
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been a wilder fan since he killed liakhovich.

picked him for the last fight, prob pick him for the rematch. you don't know shit about boxing and you don't know shit about me.

you obviously can't act like an actual person, but at least try to be a competent fucking troll.
Well lets see ya wanna talk Tom Molyneaux the slave who won his freedom and ended up in Europe fighting for the world title.

How about George "Little Chocolate" Dixon the first black to hold a world championship., story goes he had over 800 bouts.

Talk to me about Emile Griffith, Hurricane Carter, Dick Tiger, Kid Chocolate, Kid Gavilan, the other Jack Dempsey.

Dude, boxing historian here, ok? Wanna go all the way back and talk the bare knuckle days?

Trust me slick, I know boxing.

The best of times.......Leonard/Hagler/Duran/Hearns......right?
 
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