Wilder vs Fury - Feb 2020.

Wilder Vs Fury

  • Fury

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Wilder

    Votes: 10 58.8%

  • Total voters
    17

Ar558a

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I go Wilder 55/45. I think Fury was lucky to get up in the 12 of the last and if Wilder connects like he did in either of the last two fights it's game over. That said I think this fight only happens if AJ beats Ruiz. Otherwise Heyman pulls this and has his two boys fight for the Undisputed.
 
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You're a complete moron.

I posted numerous picture that shoew it conclusively.

You braindead imbecile.
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No, I posted the pictures you utter fucking clown. You are a byword for stupid, ignorant views on here.

Some of your best...

  • Groves is tough swarmer like Chisora.
  • A hook that lands with the thumb part of the glove is a "textbook hook".
  • Efe Ajagba has no power, and "throws like a girl".
  • Sonny Conto reminds you of "a young Vitali Klitshcko"
  • Suggested Lucas Browne might beat Fury in 2018.
  • Charles Martin has faster hand speed than AJ.
  • Darren Barker is a "crude slugger".
  • Groves being given the decision over Eubank Jr was a "fix".
I mean, the list goes on. :lol:

There is an entire thread dedicated to you on another part of this forum, as posters marvel at how someone who loves the sport can manage to know so little about it. You have now even imagined that it was you who posted pics of Fury ducking against Wilder. It was me. :lol: I posted freeze frames to show you were talking utter shite, and you fucked off out of the thread.

Notice also, how it's you who immediately starts hurling insults when challenged or called out on some ludicrous opinion.

Here's the stills again, because you claimed he was ducking illegally low for the first KD.

Here is the head position as Wilder throws...



Fury's head is in line with Wilder's chest and chin.

Here is the head position, as the punch lands...despite the fact that Wilder's knee is bent, Fury is still nowhere near below the waist. In fact the back of his head is in line with the upper part of Wilder's chest, and his chin is level with the mid part of Wilder's stomach. Not even in line with the top of the belt line.



The force of the punch (accidentally to the back of the head) then pushes Fury's head down and he starts to fall to the canvas. At this point, you used the genius argument that his head was now illegally low. :lol: So by your "logic" if someone is knocked down, their head is illegally low because they are on the canvas. :lol:



If half of his head is still in line with the waist, so even when this has happened, his head is not all below the waistline.

Anyway, keep it up, you're always good for a laugh.
 
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And in case anyone isn't quite sure what a FUCKING MORON @Strike is:




I've got plenty more, if you want to see them.
:lol:

The second one is him being hit. The first one, yeah he's ducking and his head is in line with the waistline. The literal Marquess of Queensbury rules reward "ducking" as part of defence to be judged when scoring, and "persistently ducking BELOW the waistline" as being illegal. The only image you've provided below the waistline there is one where he's being punched.
 
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If you strut into range like Ortiz did without any regard for taking your head off that centre line then you are getting binged by Wilder.

Especially when you are in the southpaw stance, for someone with a reputation as being a masterful boxer Ortiz's defensive awareness was shocking.
 
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Oh look, it's Mike Tyson ducking "illegally" low...(as defined by resident know nothing Cable Addict)





Oh what? Joe Frazier too?





And Floyd Patterson!



WTF?! Not Jack Dempsey surely...



Ducking down to waist height is not illegally low. Ducking REPEATEDLY below the waist line is illegal, and yet happens from time to time. This from Jake LaMotta is definitely illegal ducking by the rules...unless this shot was taken after a punch had landed and pushed him downward.




Now obviously, I'm taking the piss a bit, because you could go and show fouls throughout the history of the sport from great fighters, which would not mean they were not fouls. But, bar the last picture here, all of those ducks are legal and within the expected actions of "bob and weave". If a fighter strays too low when ducking on a couple of occasions, it's a non issue that might have a ref give a warning if it happens 2 or 3 times and clearly. Fury did not come close to that at any time. The vast majority of his ducking was down to lower chest height, sometimes down to the waistline...which is perfectly legal and something the likes of Tyson and Frazier did throughout their careers.

If there is one great fighter who I think did utilise illegal ducking more than he should have been allowed to, it's probably Nigel Benn. Legend, but definitely ducked too low, multiple times in quite a few fights.
 
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I go Wilder 55/45. I think Fury was lucky to get up in the 12 of the last and if Wilder connects like he did in either of the last two fights it's game over. That said I think this fight only happens if AJ beats Ruiz. Otherwise Heyman pulls this and has his two boys fight for the Undisputed.
How can you be lucky to get up from a shot? You either get up or you don't?
 
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Oh look, it's Mike Tyson ducking "illegally" low...(as defined by resident know nothing Cable Addict)





Oh what? Joe Frazier too?





And Floyd Patterson!



WTF?! Not Jack Dempsey surely...



Ducking down to waist height is not illegally low. Ducking REPEATEDLY below the waist line is illegal, and yet happens from time to time. This from Jake LaMotta is definitely illegal ducking by the rules...unless this shot was taken after a punch had landed and pushed him downward.




Now obviously, I'm taking the piss a bit, because you could go and show fouls throughout the history of the sport from great fighters, which would not mean they were not fouls. But, bar the last picture here, all of those ducks are legal and within the expected actions of "bob and weave". If a fighter strays too low when ducking on a couple of occasions, it's a non issue that might have a ref give a warning if it happens 2 or 3 times and clearly. Fury did not come close to that at any time. The vast majority of his ducking was down to lower chest height, sometimes down to the waistline...which is perfectly legal and something the likes of Tyson and Frazier did throughout their careers.

If there is one great fighter who I think did utilise illegal ducking more than he should have been allowed to, it's probably Nigel Benn. Legend, but definitely ducked too low, multiple times in quite a few fights.
Hilarious.

Not one of those pics shows a fighter BELOW the beltline, except Lamotta, and that does look like he just took a blow.

And regardless, Fury didn't just do it once or twise. He did it repeatedly for the entire fight, which is why Wilder had such a hard time throwing anything.

Nice try, you idiot. Now go find a knitting forum.
 
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I can't remember how often, if at all, Fury ducked illegally below the belt line, (and I won't have the time or inclination to rewatch just now), but it is one of those fouls that Refs seem to ignore.

It's something you see slick, and wannabe slick, boxers do a lot, and it rarely gets punished. It has annoyed me before when watching fights.

I would say however that it's a stretch to claim it's the reason Wilder didn't throw. It may, or may not, be one of the reasons, but there are others that are probably more relevant.

It's not like Wilder has a substantial output in his fights. (I'm talking now, not the raw windmilling Wilder of old). He only tends to throw the odd single shot until he has his man hurt, then he opens up. He barely threw against Ortiz for example.

Fury also controls the space well, is good at countering his opponents, and in taking away their offense. That's why his fights are usually really low volume affairs. Wlad for example.
 
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Hilarious.

Not one of those pics shows a fighter BELOW the beltline, except Lamotta, and that does look like he just took a blow.

And regardless, Fury didn't just do it once or twise. He did it repeatedly for the entire fight, which is why Wilder had such a hard time throwing anything.

Nice try, you idiot. Now go find a knitting forum.
You've posted 2 pics that don't support your case at all, and on the original thread you actually argued that the first KD was as Fury ducked illegally low. I showed you the stills proving this bollocks, and you shut up and disappeared from the thread.

Now in the most amazing case of cretinous posting the forum has seen, you've quoted my post showing images of fighters ducking, in which I say "This is NOT below the waist and is legal" and to counter that you've gone "Not one of those pics shows the fighter BELOW the beltline". :lol: Yes, that was the ENTIRE fucking point of the post you village idiot, because they are ducking low and in line with the belt, but not below it - which is what Fury did throughout the fight.

Wilder had such a hard time throwing anything, because Fury ducked (not below the waist for the vast majority of time, maybe there was once or twice, but I don't remember it, and you've not provided any evidence of it) and moved out of range well. Wilder struggled to throw anything for 6 rounds the other night, he struggled to land much for 8 rounds against Szplika, he's simply not a very good boxer in most technical aspects, but has fast hands and an absolutely ludicrous amount of power that means he can do nothing for 11 rounds, 2 minutes and 45 seconds and still win with one punch.

Isn't it funny how not one poster, not one pundit, not one ex pro, not one write up and not even Wilder or anyone from his team suggested Fury was ducking illegally low all night, but the poster who told us all that Groves was a swarmer, that landing a hook with the thumb part of the glove is "textbook" and that Lucas Browne probably beats Fury in 2018, thought it was an issue?

To perfectly highlight your ludicrous post, this is an image you have deemed to be fine and not "below the waistline"...Frazier's forehead is in line with Ali's beltline, the rest of his head is below it, but the top of his head is above. I agree with you, that's basically okay, because his whole head is not below the belt.



And here is an image you posted to prove definitively that Fury ducked illegally low...forehead in line with the belt, everything else below, and top of the head just above the belt.




Just watch highlights from how often Frazier bobs and weaves to just that sort of height. It's constant. It's not illegal, and it was the hallmark of one of the greatest heavyweights the sport has seen.

 

kf3

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not sure who to pick yet, leaning to fury. he's been staying in shape and seems happy, so should be better. but i been following wilder for years now and he aint let me down yet.

fury can fight southpaw well and it's gotta be tempting, but maybe is unnecessary risk. when fury fights orthodox he will still win rounds but wilder can do more, especially with his left hand.
 
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I think pretty much everyone is agreed that Wilder Ko's Fury, or Fury outboxes Wilder to a decision.

It's possible Fury stops Wilder, or Wilder gets enough knockdowns to win on points, but realistically the first two options are the most likely.

Personally, I think 36 mins is too long for Fury to survive without being put to sleep. I like Wilder, but I kinda hope Fury pulls it off, mainly due to the poor judging in the first fight.
 
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Hard to imagine Fury stopping Wilder, honestly. Fury needs to not showboat at all in this fight. Just go for the body. Wilder will gas.