Wildlife: Jaguar throwback

Johnstown

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I just found this thread...great read.

Going back to the orginal post...

I happened to see the following video a few weeks ago (I forget how)

Enjoy....

 
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Scarface is a legendary Jaguar. I believe it is him in the video sneaking up on the Cayman.
 

McGrain

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Bears don't seem to kill very quickly... it's probably still there while that guy figures out who to call
They don't "kill" at all in the traditional sense, they tend to eat prey while it's still alive. Hyenas and ronin lions do this also but they still have some sort of instinct to suffocate; bears just sort of rive about until the prey is unzipped and scoff it. It's awful. They look so cuddly too.
 

Duo

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Jaguar crushes Leopard.

I was very distrubed - very, very disturbed - to hear on an episode of Joe Rogan this year that a "leopard is bigger than a jaguar."

A leopard is not bigger than a jaguar. In fact, the leopard is a jaguar's little bitch - or to put it in the parlance of Darwin, a jaguar is a leopard in Africa.

This is another way of saying that if the Jaguar lived in Africa it would be the leopard because it would have to bow to the lion - but, facts are facts. And i the interim, the jaguar has become so beastly as to overtake the lion - or at least the lioness - in certain aspects. This is because it has reigned supreme in arguably the second most difficult environment of all, the south american jungle. Whether or not you like the SA aspect, follow him in Mexico where he shows up, or see the African environment, reasonably, as #1, Jaguar is boss of one tough spot.


As usual, the perfect picture is available (linked above) but can't be posted on the forum because...i forget why. Anyway, if you open it the biggest difference is literally staring you in the face. Jaguar has a much wider, deeper head which houses some badass jaw muscles - it's not the jaw. The two skulls weigh about the same, though the Jaguar i the bigger, it's the muslces. These muscles sit so impressively that the Jaguar actually has the most powerful bite of any big cat - and it's not close. Lions manage a piddly 650 pounds per square inch; tigers are much more impressive at about 1000. Leopard has double that psi at around 2000. In the entire animal kingdom, only crocodiles rank higher consistently. There's an actual argument that goes on as to whether or not the Leopard or the Hippo has the harder bite.

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In terms of size, too, it's a no contest. The largest recorded Jaguar was 350lbs; the largest leopard 305lbs. What even more amazing is that the biggest Jaguars are bigger than most lionesses. A very large male Jaguar would be more than a match for any lioness and would be a very serious proposition for most lions and tigers. 210lbs is more like the normal side of large though and these would tend to get bodied; not that they're still much larger than the leopard though.

The Jaguar's extra weight means it's less agile than the leopard but it's name is still a derivation of a native word meaning "kills with one pounce". It's crazy stealthy and blessed with great timing on the "go". Note, also, the way it manhandles this 150-200lb boar:


Turn the volume up for the "That was nice" guilty middle-class styling of the amateur camera-man.

This is a traditional cat kill, but the Jaguar also mixes it up a bit in that its bite is so powerful it is capable of breaking the neck and skull of its prey, so it often doesn't bother with the throat and kills its prey from the rear.


As observed by this more sanguine gentleman, these creatures are very very at home in water and more so than they are in the trees. That's probably the real reason the leopard didn't get as big as the Jaguar. He doesn't want to lose his ability to skite about the trees which is what makes lions and hyenas that bother him look so dumb. Also, if he'd taken the Jaguar route, he'd still be getting out-muscled by packs of hyenas, lionesses and individual lions just like he is now, and he's not turning the above trick against nile crocs. Elephants would still terrify him.

That doesn't change the fact that the Jaguar is way bigger, way badder and the daddy of a deep meta. Here's one on DMT to celebrate:


Made animal.
Also concerning jaguars, while it's commonly assumed electric eels have no natural predators, wildlife footage has proved this isn't the case.

I've only seen the rarely viewed film I'm mentioning in televised documentaries, never on the internet (probably because it's not especially riveting to watch), but for an easy meal, a jaguar will casually swat an electric eel out of the water, then repeatedly bat it with a paw until the eel's charge is exhausted before devouring it. No other animal has apparently been documented successfully preying on a live and healthy fully grown electric eel, and the World Wide Web (a remarkably and increasingly limited medium) seems oblivious to the predation of jaguars on electric eels. Eventually, I figure the clip I mentioned will turn up online.

These eels have been filmed leaping out of the water to deliver surprise defensive shocks against predators, and it's been supposed that jaguars are the primary adversary they've evolved to protect themselves against with this tactic. (Humans also consume electric eels as a food source.)
 
Jul 25, 2012
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Jaguar crushes Leopard.

I was very distrubed - very, very disturbed - to hear on an episode of Joe Rogan this year that a "leopard is bigger than a jaguar."

A leopard is not bigger than a jaguar. In fact, the leopard is a jaguar's little bitch - or to put it in the parlance of Darwin, a jaguar is a leopard in Africa.

This is another way of saying that if the Jaguar lived in Africa it would be the leopard because it would have to bow to the lion - but, facts are facts. And i the interim, the jaguar has become so beastly as to overtake the lion - or at least the lioness - in certain aspects. This is because it has reigned supreme in arguably the second most difficult environment of all, the south american jungle. Whether or not you like the SA aspect, follow him in Mexico where he shows up, or see the African environment, reasonably, as #1, Jaguar is boss of one tough spot.


As usual, the perfect picture is available (linked above) but can't be posted on the forum because...i forget why. Anyway, if you open it the biggest difference is literally staring you in the face. Jaguar has a much wider, deeper head which houses some badass jaw muscles - it's not the jaw. The two skulls weigh about the same, though the Jaguar i the bigger, it's the muslces. These muscles sit so impressively that the Jaguar actually has the most powerful bite of any big cat - and it's not close. Lions manage a piddly 650 pounds per square inch; tigers are much more impressive at about 1000. Leopard has double that psi at around 2000. In the entire animal kingdom, only crocodiles rank higher consistently. There's an actual argument that goes on as to whether or not the Leopard or the Hippo has the harder bite.

View attachment 5507

In terms of size, too, it's a no contest. The largest recorded Jaguar was 350lbs; the largest leopard 305lbs. What even more amazing is that the biggest Jaguars are bigger than most lionesses. A very large male Jaguar would be more than a match for any lioness and would be a very serious proposition for most lions and tigers. 210lbs is more like the normal side of large though and these would tend to get bodied; not that they're still much larger than the leopard though.

The Jaguar's extra weight means it's less agile than the leopard but it's name is still a derivation of a native word meaning "kills with one pounce". It's crazy stealthy and blessed with great timing on the "go". Note, also, the way it manhandles this 150-200lb boar:


Turn the volume up for the "That was nice" guilty middle-class styling of the amateur camera-man.

This is a traditional cat kill, but the Jaguar also mixes it up a bit in that its bite is so powerful it is capable of breaking the neck and skull of its prey, so it often doesn't bother with the throat and kills its prey from the rear.


As observed by this more sanguine gentleman, these creatures are very very at home in water and more so than they are in the trees. That's probably the real reason the leopard didn't get as big as the Jaguar. He doesn't want to lose his ability to skite about the trees which is what makes lions and hyenas that bother him look so dumb. Also, if he'd taken the Jaguar route, he'd still be getting out-muscled by packs of hyenas, lionesses and individual lions just like he is now, and he's not turning the above trick against nile crocs. Elephants would still terrify him.

That doesn't change the fact that the Jaguar is way bigger, way badder and the daddy of a deep meta. Here's one on DMT to celebrate:


Made animal.
They are Capybara not boars...

Great thread...
 
Jul 25, 2012
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Also i don't think the fighting style is indicative of how they would fair against other big cats..

Like most animals who jockey for dominance. ..mostly it is posturing...and between rival males, at least in this clip...it appears to be ceremonial..

Jaguar has always been my fav big cat.. the complete package... the Pitbull of the Feline World..
 
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The Grasshopper Mouse lives out in the American midwest/deserts, and routinely hunts poisonous bugs like scorpions and centipedes, as it's immune to their venom.

Here's a video of a (rather epic) battle between a pair of mice and a scorpion (excerpted from the TV show "Wild America"):



This video shows a mouse killing a scorpion and then a centipede:

 
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I saw a hawk decapitating a pigeon at my mom's house months back. I think it was a young hawk. I drive up one day and it was ripping the guts outta the pigeon's chest. Those suckers fly way up in the air in a circular motion too. Pretty scary.
 
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McGrain

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In 2014 it was decided that the new pope would team up with some children - because nothing spells excellence like the Catholic church and young children - to release some "doves of peace" from the Vatican.

As always, nature had plenty to say about human anthropomorphism.

Here are Pope & kids releasing said doves of peace in 2014:

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But for the doves, it was no ceremony, nor was it a matter of peace on earth.

Firstly, any animal released into any environment by any other creature has to adapt to that environment. For the doves, naughty peace doves, they were encroaching upon the territory of a very, very serious animal, namely the hooded crow. Albino animals get absolutely caned in the wild outside of the Antarctic, tundra Russia etc., this is because they don't have any camouflage. Nevertheless, these animals have been coveted for their distinct appearance in the west, but it only tends to go well for them when their top tier (swans) or when they're artificially cared for (white doves). When white doves are released to the wild, they are immediatly spotted and tanned by the local indigenous wildlife, generally the most badass animal in that particular meta:

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As can be seen, the doves were immediatly attacked with very few counter measures. Outweighed, out-armoured, out-gunned, across the board they weren't able to resist the presence of the alpha animal in that environment. White doves weigh in at an upper end of around 350g and have limited mobility; hooded crows are much more mobile, much more intelligent and weigh in at a top end of around 650g. There is no applying mythology or religion to these numbers; the crow, as seen above, are tanning the white dove, out-competing them and generally fucking them up. Where they overlap they routinely scoff their young and destroy their nests. Hooded crows duel owls, which are a legit killing machine; doves are nowhere on this scale.

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The doves were released by those children into a hell; a world where mainly crows, but also seagulls, terrorised,, mauled, brutalised and marginalised them. Rock doves and stock doves are able to exist in this environment by way of beta adjustments born of camouflage and back down. The white doves were chanceless.

The release of white doves for weddings, with no media presence, or in a time before mass-media went uncovered in their butchery, but now, we all see. The absurd projection of human emotion onto the world of the wild was never more firmly underwritten by the abject misery inflicted upon these poor animals by the 2014 "peace release" which was anything but.

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No argument between alegory and reality, and no argument between church and nature. Nature wins 100% of the time.
 

Phantom

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Crows are the most intelligent of of birds...and are even capable of mimicking human speech, which certainly shits all over that pathetic "cooing" sound that doves are known to emit. They're undoubtably better scientific fighters than doves, and tend to be more conservative than those peace freak doves. Close observation of many crows clearly shows that they have better developed right wings than other birds. Make what you will of that. They are great problem solvers, and have been known, among other things, to drop nuts and other things that they wish to eat on a paved surface like a street and wait for passing cars to crush the shell for them.
In all seriousness, i hope a good sized crow shits directly into the mouth of that lunatic pope "whilst" he has that big, heretical mouth of his open, which is quite often.
 
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Phantom

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I saw a hawk decapitating a pigeon at my mom's house months back. I think it was a young hawk. I drive up one day and it was ripping the guts outta the pigeon's chest. Those suckers fly way up in the air in a circular motion too. Pretty scary.
You gotta love those hawks...doing a splendid job of culling the avian world of the riff-raff.
 
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Phantom

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Also i don't think the fighting style is indicative of how they would fair against other big cats..

Like most animals who jockey for dominance. ..mostly it is posturing...and between rival males, at least in this clip...it appears to be ceremonial..

Jaguar has always been my fav big cat.. the complete package... the Pitbull of the Feline World..
The leopard, which graces my avatar, is the Sugar Ray Robinson of the cat world. P4P the strongest of the cats...(oh my, here we go again...)