Will London knife crime be worse in 2019?

thegee

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Why was a 14yr old riding a moped on a public highway? not really important as to why this young lald was stabbed to d eath by a mob on a public highway in our capital city. The main reason is there are no Police patrolling our streets, the area where this young lad lost his life is rough, but listening to residents there are is no visible Police presence, people in the area are afraid to be out in the streets after five P.M. What an indictment on our government for this to happen in our Capital City. Regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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Trail

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Why was a 14yr old riding a moped on a public highway? not really important as to why this young lald was stabbed to d eath by a mob on a public highway in our capital city. The main reason is there are no Police patrolling our streets, the area where this young lad lost his life is rough, but listening to residents there are is no visible Police presence, people in the area are afraid to be out in the streets after five P.M. What an indictment on our government for this to happen in our Capital City. Regards Mervyn The Gee
I can't remember the last time I saw a police officer patrolling the streets, and I don't mean a matter of months, a matter of years.
 

kf3

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i'm not entirely disagreeing with you guys but the police we aint seeing are community support types, i reckon i see actual police about as often as ever.

@Trail - yeah, pretty black areas, it aint like american ghettos in terms of segregation, everyone's living alingside each other, rich/poor as much as black/white/other.
 
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thegee

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@kf3, I lived and worked in London for over fifty years , the last 17 spent in Wimbledon, I very rarely saw a "Real" policeman., lots of what we called "Plastic" police, the area outside could get really rough, I saw a British transport policeman getting "done over"o/s the station by three yobbos, I waded in , and laid one out and in the process was "nicked" for assault. But after it all ended I was released and the three yobbos ended up in prison. This was about twenty years ago. I could not punch my way out of a paper bag now, happy days. Regards Mervyn The gee
 
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i'm not entirely disagreeing with you guys but the police we aint seeing are community support types, i reckon i see actual police about as often as ever.
Not on the beat. Since 2010, there have been major cuts. There are more than 20,000 fewer police officers now than in 2010. The party who is "tough on crime" did that.



The number is now at the lowest it has been since the early 80's. Interesting to note the biggest rise in numbers was between 2000 and 2005.



Some of that is community support officers. They fell in number by 40% since 2010. Their peak was 2009, when there were 16,814..so a 40% cut would equate to a loss of 6,725 of those figures.

Since the coalition took over the total loss of all officers has been 22,424. So the proper officers have dropped by 15,699.

That's a big cut. And that does not include the cuts to individual force budgets.

Sources for numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_community_support_officer (gives 2009 peak figure in introduction to the topic)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42977661

https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/
 
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thegee

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He was able to ride a moped,you can apply at aged 14. I think there is no doubt that he was a gang member. There are photos of him posing with fistfuls of money and using gang talk, he apparently also carried a large knife in his waistband. None of this excuses the fact that he was murdered . Regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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He was able to ride a moped,you can apply at aged 14. I think there is no doubt that he was a gang member. There are photos of him posing with fistfuls of money and using gang talk, he apparently also carried a large knife in his waistband. None of this excuses the fact that he was murdered . Regards Mervyn The Gee
I think he probably was a gang member, but I hate how the press and people who forget what it was like to be a teen use pics of someone posing in a "gangster" fashion to prove a point. TONS of teenage buys idolise the idea of being badass or a gangster, but don't live it. Scarface poster on the wall, posing for pics with their mates all scowling at the camera, waving money etc.

It is social media driven too. Making a gun finger sign or posing with a scarf up and holding a handful of cash means nothing. They mimic rappers, films, what they see on TV, and it will sometimes reflect their real life, and sometimes it will be bluster and bullshit.

The fact he was killed as he was suggests he WAS involved in that life, but people get killed in mistaken identities too. In 2008, my brother's mate was getting a takeaway in Manchester. He was not involved in crime or gang life AT ALL. But he lived in an area in which it was rife, and as he waited for his food, a car pulled up, some lads got out and shot him dead. Total mistaken identity.

This 14 year old may well have been a small time dealer, he might have idolised that lifestyle, many others do and grow out of it, or maybe he was a genuine scumbag himself who stabbed people and died by the sword having lived by it. But...he could have been innocent, and a photo holding money and making a gun sign with two fingers means nothing.
 
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thegee

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@Strike, it is not thefact that he was holding money, it comes from other people in the area who state that they know he was a drug dealer, still does not excuse him being murdered. regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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@Strike, it is not thefact that he was holding money, it comes from other people in the area who state that they know he was a drug dealer, still does not excuse him being murdered. regards Mervyn The Gee
Yeah, I am not really disputing it, just sought of using your post as a jump off point to make a related point. The media go one of two ways in many of these cases, either we get some picture of a 17 year old when they were 12 and a needlessly glowing write up about how they were planning to become a brain surgeon or something, or we get pics pulled off their Facebook with them blowing out smoke or swearing at the camera, as if this reflects on who they were and how they lived.

I just hate the simplicity of some of the coverage around young murder victims. They needn't be angels or villains.
 
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Not on the beat. Since 2010, there have been major cuts. There are more than 20,000 fewer police officers now than in 2010. The party who is "tough on crime" did that.



The number is now at the lowest it has been since the early 80's. Interesting to note the biggest rise in numbers was between 2000 and 2005.



Some of that is community support officers. They fell in number by 40% since 2010. Their peak was 2009, when there were 16,814..so a 40% cut would equate to a loss of 6,725 of those figures.

Since the coalition took over the total loss of all officers has been 22,424. So the proper officers have dropped by 15,699.

That's a big cut. And that does not include the cuts to individual force budgets.

Sources for numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_community_support_officer (gives 2009 peak figure in introduction to the topic)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42977661

https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/
those numbers are across the UK, do you have the numbers for London?
 

thegee

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We live in a democracy. And there are people out there who find ways and means to abuse the system. These should be countered , for instance, carrying a Knife in a public place should be subject to a minimum of Five years in Jail. , Stop and search should be appplied to all sections of the public irrespective of colour or religion. Police are on a hiding to nothing , the present P/M stopped the stop and search in London. Most murders and stabbings are Black on Black. I worked in these areas and 90% of these people are good ,honest ,hardworking,who hate the criminals in the area. Instead of criticising the Police we should be behind them 100%. Regards Mervyn The Gee.
 
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should Sadiq put some of his online hate crime hub resources towards solving the knife crime problem?
Obviously. Proper hate crimes need investigating. Pissing time and money up the wall on what someone said on Twitter is fucking ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is having the police have to file reports on "hate incidents" in which a crime does not even need to have happened, just someone feeling offended or perceiving something as being hateful in motive.

The Tories fucked the police with cuts, and Khan made things worse in London by adopting the do gooder mentality that stop and search has to be racist. It can be, and we should work to ensure it isn't, but fundamentally taking weapons and weapon carriers off the streets will reduce murders.