Wow James Kirkland sounds bad

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Just looking what Kirkland was up to and watching interviews from before the Cotto fight. Thank fuck it never happened. Kirkland always talked a bit slow naturally but here he sounds completely different even compared to the interviews form before the Canelo fight.




This is awful this guy is only 33 and while admittedly he's had a ling violent career he sounds really really bad. How could Ann Wolfe agree to train him for the Cotto fight? she had to notice how fucked his speech was.

Honestly I wonder if that's the reason he pulled out of the Cotto fight, that Wolfe told him to let it be because it's shocking how much his speech has worsened over only 2 years.

Cotto has also had a tough and long career but he seems completely fine let alone someone like Duran health wise Cotto would have been the younger guy by far

Obviously a fighter like him wouldn't come out of the game as well as others do but this is brutal. Really that's the sad part about this sport.
 

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Problem with Kirkland is apart from getting stopped so many times he also has hard camps where he spars heavyweights, that with no head movement means he is getting punched in the head non stop every training camp
The "HW" he was sparring (beating up) in one clip was probably the official Burger King champ you could probably have decent WWs beat them up without taking any damage. Ok maybe he also spars better guys but that guy wasn't going to damage anyone who could box and looked like he was just some poor hobby boxer whose only purpose it is to get slaughtered.


The only one who was getting brain damage here was his sparring partner so if that's the quality of his sparring normally I don't see it. I assumed Kirkland at least with Wolfe does hard sparring but against living punching bags to build confidence and make it suistainable for several weeks.


Tbf I remember reading about Kirkland once sparring Shawn Porter while he was without Wolfe and getting dropped several times during sparring. So maybe he also likes to go around and train with other elite boxers.
 
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The "HW" he was sparring (beating up) in one clip was probably the official Burger King champ you could probably have decent WWs beat them up without taking any damage. Ok maybe he also spars better guys but that guy wasn't going to damage anyone who could box and looked like he was just some poor hobby boxer whose only purpose it is to get slaughtered.


The only one who was getting brain damage here was his sparring partner so if that's the quality of his sparring normally I don't see it. I assumed Kirkland at least with Wolfe does hard sparring but against living punching bags to build confidence and make it suistainable for several weeks.


Tbf I remember reading about Kirkland once sparring Shawn Porter while he was without Wolfe and getting dropped several times during sparring. So maybe he also likes to go around and train with other elite boxers.
I heard he was sparring "HW's" so maybe there is more out of shape ones, im sure one managed to land a few punches getting punched by a 200+ guy is risky when your below that, yeah heard Porter stopped him, Kirkland's chin is just that bad
 
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Just looking what Kirkland was up to and watching interviews from before the Cotto fight. Thank fuck it never happened. Kirkland always talked a bit slow naturally but here he sounds completely different even compared to the interviews form before the Canelo fight.




This is awful this guy is only 33 and while admittedly he's had a ling violent career he sounds really really bad. How could Ann Wolfe agree to train him for the Cotto fight? she had to notice how fucked his speech was.

Honestly I wonder if that's the reason he pulled out of the Cotto fight, that Wolfe told him to let it be because it's shocking how much his speech has worsened over only 2 years.

Cotto has also had a tough and long career but he seems completely fine let alone someone like Duran health wise Cotto would have been the younger guy by far

Obviously a fighter like him wouldn't come out of the game as well as others do but this is brutal. Really that's the sad part about this sport.

I had the pleasure of meeting Kirkland at a nightclub and at the strip club, also have a friend who trains side by side with him. Their sparring is legit doghouse rules, kill or be killed. Their amazing strength and conditioning is quickly negated by the abuse they put on each other
 

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I heard he was sparring "HW's" so maybe there is more out of shape ones, im sure one managed to land a few punches getting punched by a 200+ guy is risky when your below that, yeah heard Porter stopped him, Kirkland's chin is just that bad
I would rather spar "HWs" like that guy than a WW like Shawn Porter

Obviously
I had the pleasure of meeting Kirkland at a nightclub and at the strip club, also have a friend who trains side by side with him. Their sparring is legit doghouse rules, kill or be killed. Their amazing strength and conditioning is quickly negated by the abuse they put on each other
Is their training really as brutal as it seems in the countdown shows? I wondered if this gets exaggarated a bit but apparently not. Do they spar often?
 
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Problem with Kirkland is apart from getting stopped so many times he also has hard camps where he spars heavyweights, that with no head movement means he is getting punched in the head non stop every training camp
................ yeah, no other fighters spar and get hit during training camp.

Name one heavyweight he's sparred with?
 
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And without a video of him speaking before he supposedly got bad, it' impossible to say how bad his speech has deteriorated because he doesn't sound that bad especially for a guy that' been in wars and been laid out as many times as he has.
 
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I would rather spar "HWs" like that guy than a WW like Shawn Porter

Obviously


Is their training really as brutal as it seems in the countdown shows? I wondered if this gets exaggarated a bit but apparently not. Do they spar often?
Not exaggerated at all, when she says she's going to beat you like a slave she means it. I'd say she's more man than 99% of dudes
 
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................ yeah, no other fighters spar and get hit during training camp.

Name one heavyweight he's sparred with?
Watch the video dumbass, did you miss the "no head movement part" still as autistic as ever
 
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Back in the 70's I use to hang in a neighborhood bar on Friday afternoons after getting my paycheck and cashing it. There was a guy that came in that I found out was at one time a professional boxer and he and I would often gab a bit about the local boxing scene and the fights coming up on TV.

Listening to the guy really hit home about the amount of damage these guys can take in the ring. The guy could not complete a sentence without the "ah, ah, ah" thing going on a few times in each sentence. He sounded like your stereotypical punch drunk fighter, and it was a shame. The guy couldn't have been more than in his early 50's when I was in my 20's and the amount of deterioration in his motor skills and speech was very evident.

These guys sometimes pay a high price for entertaining the boxing fans. Look at Muhammad Ali, Wilfredo Benitez, Leon Spinks, Jerry Quarry, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson---------------this could go on for days if I thought of all the fighters with "pugilistic dementia".
 

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Sounds almost the same. His adrenaline is pumping in this video so he's talking faster.

People just see and hear what they want to.
It sounds completely different. He talks faster, he pronounces his words clearer despite comign out of a brutal fight and in the 2017 interview he stumbles over his words a few times and has difficulty pronouncing certain words.


@gumbo2176 did that guy have a long career? Sounds brutal especially since I assume he wasn't a well known guy who fought forever. Larry Holmes and Foreman had really long careers and at least at a first glance you wouldn't know that they used to be pro boxers
 
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It sounds completely different. He talks faster, he pronounces his words clearer despite comign out of a brutal fight and in the 2017 interview he stumbles over his words a few times and has difficulty pronouncing certain words.


@gumbo2176 did that guy have a long career? Sounds brutal especially since I assume he wasn't a well known guy who fought forever. Larry Holmes and Foreman had really long careers and at least at a first glance you wouldn't know that they used to be pro boxers
I never pressed the guy for any real detail about his boxing career, but to look at the guy you immediately knew he had been in some wars coming up. He had the scar tissue around the eyes, crooked nose from being broken and that slurred speech was just the icing on the cake. For all I know he may have just been a journeyman that was used by up and comers as a guy to get a win off of to pad their record.

I think it's a mystery to all neurologists how some fighters, despite having long careers as a pro and taking untold numbers of shots to the head can walk away relatively unscathed, while others are doomed to pugilistic dementia for the rest of their lives.
 

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I never pressed the guy for any real detail about his boxing career, but to look at the guy you immediately knew he had been in some wars coming up. He had the scar tissue around the eyes, crooked nose from being broken and that slurred speech was just the icing on the cake. For all I know he may have just been a journeyman that was used by up and comers as a guy to get a win off of to pad their record.

I think it's a mystery to all neurologists how some fighters, despite having long careers as a pro and taking untold numbers of shots to the head can walk away relatively unscathed, while others are doomed to pugilistic dementia for the rest of their lives.
Lamotta was mentally gone for the last 10 years or so but he ok a while. I wonder if anyone can come out of this ok if they live long enough for mif every boxer gets dementia if they live as long as Lamotta.
Lamotta took a lot of damage though and also had a destroyed nose and scar tissue so I don't think that superficial damage really tells you a lot about a fighter's brain

This is 5 years old but here Tony Demarco seems fine but I wonder how he's doing nowadays.


Jimmy Bivins lived a long time but apparently he had dementia and for a bit longer because that's the only explanation how he could end up on top of some attic malnutritioned even if his family didn#t care for him
 
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Lamotta was mentally gone for the last 10 years or so but he ok a while. I wonder if anyone can come out of this ok if they live long enough for mif every boxer gets dementia if they live as long as Lamotta.
Lamotta took a lot of damage though and also had a destroyed nose and scar tissue so I don't think that superficial damage really tells you a lot about a fighter's brain

This is 5 years old but here Tony Demarco seems fine but I wonder how he's doing nowadays.


Jimmy Bivins lived a long time but apparently he had dementia and for a bit longer because that's the only explanation how he could end up on top of some attic malnutritioned even if his family didn#t care for him

Hell, a lot of folks get Alzheimer's as they age and their mental faculties suffer greatly and the vast majority of them were never in the ring. I think a lot of that mental slipping comes naturally to many people as they age. I saw it happen to my late father-in-law, mother-in-law, my grandmother and a couple of uncles so far. Some got to the point they didn't recognize me, or like my grandmother, she thought I was her dead son and called me by his name when I visited her. That was a bit more than eerie to be fair.