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Batkilt

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I don't feel that sorry for him to be honest. The WBC being corrupt isn't anything new. He should get his promoter to get him back out in a ring and just not pay the WBC any more sanctioning fees. I don't think he's deserving of a 'world' title shot. I understand he's 'earned' it by winning a title eliminator and paying the sanctioning fees, but I'd class him as a mandatory challenger that doesn't really warrant being in there with the elite yet. He's a good fighter but I'd feel more sympathetic to his cause if he was actually fighting some top names at 140lbs. And yes, it's not that simple, I realise that - but sitting on your arse and moaning that the WBC aren't giving you a title shot isn't exactly that impressive either. Michael Katsidis has been on FNF once this year and is scheduled for another appearance - at the least Ajose could be getting fights on FNF and ShoBox to try to create more of a demand for him to get 'his' shot at one of the belts.
 
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The Batkilt said:
I don't feel that sorry for him to be honest. The WBC being corrupt isn't anything new. He should get his promoter to get him back out in a ring and just not pay the WBC any more sanctioning fees. I don't think he's deserving of a 'world' title shot. I understand he's 'earned' it by winning a title eliminator and paying the sanctioning fees, but I'd class him as a mandatory challenger that doesn't really warrant being in there with the elite yet. He's a good fighter but I'd feel more sympathetic to his cause if he was actually fighting some top names at 140lbs. And yes, it's not that simple, I realise that - but sitting on your arse and moaning that the WBC aren't giving you a title shot isn't exactly that impressive either. Michael Katsidis has been on FNF once this year and is scheduled for another appearance - at the least Ajose could be getting fights on FNF and ShoBox to try to create more of a demand for him to get 'his' shot at one of the belts.
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Well, I think you have to feel a little sorry for him when he's paying the WBC and following its rules, then it ignores them entirely. That's pretty poor. It's not his fault that the WBC have mandated such shocking opponents to get him into a challenger slot.

But I don't feel bad that he's not fighting Khan. As you say, who has he beaten to justify a shot at Khan, or at Garcia? But then, what had Garcia done to merit a shot at a title? And what had Morales done to inherit that title in the first place.

The whole situation is laughably corrupt. That belt is still Bradley's by any reasonable logic.
 
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dftaylor said:
Well, I think you have to feel a little sorry for him when he's paying the WBC and following its rules, then it ignores them entirely. That's pretty poor. It's not his fault that the WBC have mandated such shocking opponents to get him into a challenger slot.
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I don't feel bad for him because of that. He knew when he was paying the sanctioning body fees that he was doing it to buy his way to a title shot, as there's no way he's earned it - I don't see why boxers you use the sanctioning fees system can ever be surprised when the whole process doesn't go smoothly.

Don't get me wrong, I get why he's upset. But of all the sanctioning bodies I don't know why anyone would expect the WBC to play by their own rules. Pity Rocchigiani didn't refuse to settle and rid the world of them.
 
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The Batkilt said:
I don't feel bad for him because of that. He knew when he was paying the sanctioning body fees that he was doing it to buy his way to a title shot, as there's no way he's earned it - I don't see why boxers you use the sanctioning fees system can ever be surprised when the whole process doesn't go smoothly.
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That's a slightly different debate though. NBA, NFL, SPL, FIFA, etc all take sanctioning or licence fees. It's the price of doing business, but imagine that Wolverhampton managed to get to the Cup Final against Manchester United. But then the Premier League decided it would make more money from a match with Manchester City, and fucked Wolverhampton off. There would be outrage, even if all the other teams had been fielding their B-teams and given WH a bye.

Same principle. Whether the fighters Ajose fought were poor quality, they were the ones the WBC told him he should face to get a title shot. He's not been "buying" his way to a shot, he's been paying the fees the org demanded to be ranked by it. To overlook him again is frankly criminal. BUT I do agree with your other point: why did Ajose think he was special or different?

It's like a girl going out with a serial cheater - "He's different with me".
 
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@dftaylor Good analogy there, mate. It's a wonder the WBC still pull this shit after Rocchigiani successfully sued them. Stripping the title from Bradley was a joke, bumping Sergio to 'Diamond Champion' was a joke and bumping Nishioka to 'Champion Emeritus' was a joke. I do hope enough fighters get sick of paying the fees to be treated like that and either stop giving them the dosh or sue them. The 'US Commission' that the likes of Atlas harp on about won't change the likes of the above, as boxing is a global sport and guys like Atlas don't seem to consider that - unlike international politics - other bodies like the BBBofC that have been established for years won't just become subservient to a US based commission.

I have no issue with there being two sanctioning bodies. Ideally I'd prefer one champion, but I wouldn't want Golden Boy or Top Rank to take total control of any world title. Having two sanctioning bodies means there's always a chance that a promoter can't monopolise a title, and unifications are more likely to happen. The current model is confusing to say the least.
 
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Glad to see the WBC have came to their senses. The last time a guy with a record like his was made a mandatory for a title, Amir Khan sparked him in a round...
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Ajose is a former Olympian and far better than Salita IMO, even if his level of opposition hasn't been greatly ether than any of the Jew's.
 
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Ajose is a former Olympian and far better than Salita IMO, even if his level of opposition hasn't been greatly ether than any of the Jew's.
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He may well be better but his mandatory position is even more baffling than Salita. I can understand him getting overly pushed as he was touted as the first Jewish champ before Yuri beat him to it.

Anyway, can't we get Ouli over here so i can have a nice bit of trolling??:yep
 
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He may well be better but his mandatory position is even more baffling than Salita. I can understand him getting overly pushed as he was touted as the first Jewish champ before Yuri beat him to it.

Anyway, can't we get Ouli over here so i can have a nice bit of trolling??:yep
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What sorta' Jews were they? Plenty of Jewish champs beforehand ;)
 
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