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This is an interesting video from a few days before the fight.

So this Angel Fernandez was not an assistant. But Joint head trainer this is plain disrespectful to Garcia. If you hire an elite trainer you let him choose or bring his own team.

Or if the elite Trainer is busy with other fighters . You hire an assistant make sure he knows whose the Boss. Like Manny Pacquaio with his assistant Bubouy Fernandez and Freddie Roach. The demarcation lines were clearly drawn.

There were rumours that both Fernandez and the cheer leader coach Joby Clayton were undermining Rob McCracken during the previous camp.

Seems like could be the same situation again you have a young ambitious coach wanted to make a name for himself, so of course he is going try to undermine the other to try and become the only head coach.

Interesting comments on YouTube beneath this video. People were convinced Robert Garcia would be made a scape goat. In the event of a loss.

Despite both Garcia and Fernandez claiming they are on the same page. Body language and interaction between the two tells a different story.

This two head coaches theory never works in practice. The most infamous example was Nadeem Hamed hiring Manny Steward and also apppinting the completely unknown Oscar Suarez as a joint head coach. That turned out to be just absurd. Suarez undermining Steward.
 
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This is an interesting video from a few days before the fight.

So this Angel Fernandez was not an assistant. But Joint head trainer this is plain disrespectful to Garcia. If you hire an elite trainer you let him choose or bring his own team.

Or if the elite Trainer is busy with other fighters . You hire an assistant make sure he knows whose the Boss. Like Manny Pacquaio with his assistant Bubouy Fernandez and Freddie Roach. The demarcation lines were clearly drawn.

There were rumours that both Fernandez and the cheer leader coach Joby Clayton were undermining Rob McCracken during the previous camp.

Seems like could be the same situation again you have a young ambitious coach wanted to make a name for himself, so of course he is going try to undermine the other to try and become the only head coach.

Interesting comments on YouTube beneath this video. People were convinced Robert Garcia would be made a scape goat. In the event of a loss.

Despite both Garcia and Fernandez claiming they are on the same page. Body language and interaction between the two tells a different story.

This two head coaches theory never works in practice. The most infamous example was Nadeem Hamed hiring Manny Steward and also apppinting the completely unknown Oscar Suarez as a joint head coach. That turned out to be just absurd. Suarez undermining Steward.
A bit of shambles really. Standby for another change of trainer.
 

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A bit of shambles really. Standby for another change of trainer.
Never seen Garcia this subdued during fight week. Normally he always comes across as Confident, Authorative, exuberant and even brash at times.

I think the bit at the end will be what is used for the parting of ways. “”We enjoyed working together unfortunately Robert has other commitments he has a stable of fighters in America and for this fight camp he even had to miss his Daughters graduation, Because of his circumstances we will be unable to work together for the moment. How ever in future Robert might join the Team again if he is available.”
 
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Never seen Garcia this subdued during fight week. Normally he always comes across as Confident, Authorative, exuberant and even brash at times.

I think the bit at the end will be what is used for the parting of ways. “”We enjoyed working together unfortunately Robert has other commitments he has a stable of fighters in America and for this fight camp he even had to miss his Daughters graduation, Because of his circumstances we will be unable to work together for the moment. How ever in future Robert might join the Team again if he is available.”
Sounds like a clear cut case of don't call us, we'll call you.

Where does AJ go to now? Head cap in hand off to see McCracken? Another gym crawl of the States?
 

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Further to that @Dynamito

Oliver Brown from The Telegraph wrote that it was “time for Anthony Joshua to ditch the yes-men and get a dose of tough love”.

He pointed out Hearn’s “d**** on social media” rant that the promoter had said next to Joshua, before also highlighting Spencer Oliver’s comment at the press conference.

“You outboxed the best boxer in the world,” his friend told Joshua.

“You beat him at his own game. Your game-plan was perfect – he nicked it just at the end. He was bopping around, that’s all it was. Your stock rose. You came out with victory, mate. If there were any doubters, bro, there are none at all now.”

Brown also hit out at Joshua’s corner, who told him he was up “3-0” after as many rounds, saying “Who will have the gumption to give it to him? Not the men in his corner, that is for certain.”
 

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Further to that @Dynamito

Oliver Brown from The Telegraph wrote that it was “time for Anthony Joshua to ditch the yes-men and get a dose of tough love”.

He pointed out Hearn’s “d**** on social media” rant that the promoter had said next to Joshua, before also highlighting Spencer Oliver’s comment at the press conference.

“You outboxed the best boxer in the world,” his friend told Joshua.

“You beat him at his own game. Your game-plan was perfect – he nicked it just at the end. He was bopping around, that’s all it was. Your stock rose. You came out with victory, mate. If there were any doubters, bro, there are none at all now.”

Brown also hit out at Joshua’s corner, who told him he was up “3-0” after as many rounds, saying “Who will have the gumption to give it to him? Not the men in his corner, that is for certain.”
Don’t think he can handle tough love...

As for Spencer Oliver that was just cringe listening too, I felt embarrassed for the guy. And several other journalists who instead of asking questions were making statements of how wonderful AJ has been. For boxing.

Kudos to Frazer Clarke for keeping it real and saying it as it is. All the others including Tony Bellew should be disconnected by AJ.From his circle of associates.
 
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Here’s Garcia from two years ago saying AJ is scared of getting hit. And you can’t fix a fighters heart. Lol.

There is another video we’re he says AJ if he ever trained him would need to train with other fighters in his gym. Humble himself get rid of the superstar mindset and the yes men. Lol.

Then he ends up becoming a Yes Man. Seems like he turned up for the pay check and publicity.
 

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Then he ends up becoming a Yes Man. Seems like he turned up for the pay check and publicity.
I don't think that's fair at all.

Although I don't think Garcia was the best choice, he wisely decided to get AJ to go to the body much more. Even though that's dangerous against a shorter opponent, it did seem to work, to some degree.

Aj also appeared to be in the best aerobic shape of his life in the second Usyk fight. Surely that's due to whatever changed in his camp.
 

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I don't think that's fair at all.

Although I don't think Garcia was the best choice, he wisely decided to get AJ to go to the body much more. Even though that's dangerous again a shorter opponent, it did seem to work, to some degree.

Aj also appeared to be in the best aerobic shape of his life in the second Usyk fight. Surely that's due to whatever changed in his camp.
He did not do enough of it, he stood of for long periods, did not apply enough pressure s in Barry Hearns words “ He could have put his foot to the acccelarator a lot more”

At the start e off camp Garcia was all about gettng AJ to apply a lot more pressure be more aggressive. No urgency from his corner to get him to up his workrate and let his hands go.

Then again Garcia did say on his YouTube channel “Robert Garcia Unfiltered” that AJ was having Mental Problems and had specialists in camp and that the loss to Ruiz had affected his self belief and confidence.


Around about the 8 minute mark. Whole thing is bizarre. So maybe the AJ’s team pushed AJ into the rematch because of the money at stake. When he was mentally not right.

Also explains why the usually rambunctious and over confident Hearns, who hypes his fighters to the hilt. Was talking about the future plans in the event AJ lost.
 

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I don't think criticism of Garcia is fair or McCracken in the past really, the issue is not the training it is 100% the psychological blow that the Ruiz fight dealt, clearly something in that triggered the defense mechanism in AJ which means he wont go the places he would before that fight 99.99% of the population already had that same trigger. AJ is unlucky as if he was a defensive boxer, a movement based boxer it wouldn't have a major impact on his chances of success but he was a KO artist who relied on power and taking risks, he doesn't have that anymore so all he can do is try and approximate a skill based boxer without the experience or the natural Boxing IQ to do it, it is so clear now that it would always fail against Usyk and probably against most top heavyweights now. As he is effectively fighting with one hand tied behind his back, he would still beat tomato cans but not much else as he is a disabled fighter.

I presume all the positive reinforcement from the corner is that is the way to motivate AJ rather than the opposite but it is all a bit mute there is nothing they can say to overcome that psychological hurdle, tell him he is winning, tell him he is losing it makes no difference.

I think it's pretty sad we have missed out on the fights we could have had with Pre-Ruiz Joshua, as I still believe he would have KO the whole lot of them but we will never know as he died during the final moments of June 1st 2019.
 

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Robert Garcia has finally spoken. I think it is safe to say Garcia is very unlikely to retained as a coach.

To summarise AJ gave up mentally during the fight. He is mentally weak. Cus Usyk was ahead we were hoping for a lucky punch. We were not giving AJ instructions to win we were just trying to motivate him.


 

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Robert Garcia has finally spoken. I think it is safe to say Garcia is very unlikely to retained as a coach.

To summarise AJ gave up mentally during the fight. He is mentally weak. Cus Usyk was ahead we were hoping for a lucky punch. We were not giving AJ instructions to win we were just trying to motivate him.


Well I doubt Garcia would want to stay on, AJ is psychologically broken so he is just gonna further damage his reputation by going down with the ship. I think Garcia is wrong AJ didn't give up in the fight, he lost the ability 3 years ago to go where he needed to.
 

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Well I doubt Garcia would want to stay on, AJ is psychologically broken so he is just gonna further damage his reputation by going down with the ship. I think Garcia is wrong AJ didn't give up in the fight, he lost the ability 3 years ago to go where he needed to.
Wrong choice of words. AJ's problem has nothing to do with ability.
 

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Well I doubt Garcia would want to stay on, AJ is psychologically broken so he is just gonna further damage his reputation by going down with the ship. I think Garcia is wrong AJ didn't give up in the fight, he lost the ability 3 years ago to go where he needed to.
I presume Garcia it was one fight deal to see how they gelled. Garcia probably knew he would only be retained if AJ won.

In any case there is professional integrity. We did not see Mcracken spilling the beans after losing the gig. He maintained a dignified silence as did Tony Simms.
 

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Assuming Garcia is sent packing, who's next?
Not sure I presume he will just promote this guy Angel Fernandez. To be only head coach.

AJwants exclusivity and most of the top trainers in America cannot leave a stable of fighters and commit to working in U.K. for 4 months at a time. And for some reason he is unwilling to relocate. To America for his camps. So who knows.

Only top veteran trainers I can think of who could offer that exclusivity and maybe willing to commit. Are Pat Burns , Roger Bloodworth, Tommy Brooks, and Barry Hunter.

My personal choice would be Barry Hunter. He is not a yes man and he does not have big ego he is willing to work as a consultant with other trainers he is highly respected by fellow trainers. He is the guy they call to add more fire power to their teams. And he is brilliant corner man.
 
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