[scribbs]

Being a bit of a bore & more interested in the history of boxing than the modern scene I spend some of my spare time looking for info, records & fights of historical champs. Just recently I have started to try & find info on champs who have held the title throughout the divisions although some fighters have little or no info available.

What I would like to know is if anyone would be interested in a linear time line of the champs & how the title changed hands. What I would do is post a bio or link to bio if one can be found of the champ, a report of the title changing hands (this may come from Barry Hugman's boxrec pages) & link or embed the fight or highlights if available. Barry Hugman has produced a comprehensive history but I would go with the established champs.

Just to clarify & not trying to be patronising but the thread would start with the first champ & go to the man who beat him or who won vacant title & provide info on claimants if necessary.

What you think, anyone interested?

 

[Roe]

I'd quite like to see some kind of timeline for each division that goes through the championship, important fights etc.

Not sure if that's what you were looking to do but sounds interesting anyway :good

 

[Bryn]

I agree, I'd like to see something graphically rather than just a list, but that might just be me. I'd like something like the below;

 

[Teeto]

Being a bit of a bore & more interested in the history of boxing than the modern scene I spend some of my spare time looking for info, records & fights of historical champs. Just recently I have started to try & find info on champs who have held the title throughout the divisions although some fighters have little or no info available.

What I would like to know is if anyone would be interested in a linear time line of the champs & how the title changed hands. What I would do is post a bio or link to bio if one can be found of the champ, a report of the title changing hands (this may come from Barry Hugman's boxrec pages) & link or embed the fight or highlights if available. Barry Hugman has produced a comprehensive history but I would go with the established champs.

Just to clarify & not trying to be patronising but the thread would start with the first champ & go to the man who beat him or who won vacant title & provide info on claimants if necessary.

What you think, anyone interested?

it sounds great

 

[scribbs]

Sample - Chana Porpaoin

@Roe, @Bryn - Basically kind of like a encyclopedia of who's won title & fight report/video of new crowning

Here's a sample of what I had in mind although if reports of defenses are wanted then I can post them as well but like I mentioned in original post I may raid Barry Hugman's history on boxrec for a brief outline of fight. Also the bio's may be longer articles sort of like the one posted in the Fred Apostoli thread

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Chana Porpaoin
Record: 54-4-4, 19 KO - BoxRec Record
WBA 1993-95, 8 Defenses; 2001

Titlists/Champions Faced - 8: (Sakkreerin, Melchor, Ohashi, Rafael Torres, Alvarez, Hoshino, Niida, Landaeta)

The third consecutive Thai on the list built a resume the envy of any of them. Through two title reigns he consistently faced tough outs and won more than he lost. With a point here or there, who knows? It might have been him in the ring with Lopez instead of Alvarez. He did plenty on his own without it. After taking the crown from Ohashi, he added the first two losses to the career of future 108 lb. titlist Carlos Murillo, squeezing in a win over the former (and first ever) WBO 105 lb. titlist Torres between. He lacked pop, but could box and was quick handed with a solid chin (never stopped in an almost twenty year career). After the Alvarez loss, Porpaoin seemed to fade away quietly but then there he was in 2001, traveling to Japan and walking out with a split decision title win over Hoshino for his second title. He'd lose it in his first attempted defense and slowly faded from the scene, fighting sporadically through 2006.

From Top 20 Strawweights BoxingScene

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Chana takes WBA minimum weight title
Posted: Monday April 16, 2001 10:14 AM

YOKOHAMA, Japan (AP) -- Chana Porpaoin of Thailand outpointed defending champion Keitaro Hoshino of Japan and won the World Boxing Association minimum weight title Monday night with a 12-round split decision.

There were no knockdowns.

The 35-year Thai challenger attacked the 31-year-old Hoshino with left and right hooks and sharp uppercuts before 4,000 spectators at the Pacifico Yokohama National Convention Hall in Yokohama, just south of Tokyo.

Hoshino, in his first defense of the title he won from Joma Gamboa of the Philippines here on Dec. 6, 2000, attacked Chana, WBA No. 1 contender with a series of strong blows after the opening gong.

But Chana became aggressive in the third round. He landed a series of left and right hooks against Hoshino's face and continued to punish the Japanese.

American judges Duane Ford and Oscar Pereze scored it 115-113 for Chana. South Korea judge Yuh Wansoo had it 118-110 for Hoshino.

Chana has a record of 44 victories, including 16 knockouts, and one defeat and two draws.

It was Hoshino's seventh defeat against 21 victories, including five knockouts.

Both Hoshino and Chana weighed 47.6 kilograms (105 pounds).

Copyright 2003 Associated Press
Sportsillustrated

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/boxing/news/2001/04/16/hoshina_chana_ap/#more

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[Flea Man]

It'd be pretty hard to do accurately, especially since the splintered titles came into play (especially below feather!)

Also, Straw weight doesn't deserve this treatment. The weight class is a joke and the title as meaningful as the bit of tissue I wiped my arse with this morning after an epic turd.

 

[Lunny]

Yeah would definitely like that. This quiz has been around for yonks and I kept doing it until I can just reel them all off now http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/boxing_heavyweight

Would be good to have lists like that for the other weights.

 

[scribbs]

It'd be pretty hard to do accurately, especially since the splintered titles came into play (especially below feather!)

Also, Straw weight doesn't deserve this treatment. The weight class is a joke and the title as meaningful as the bit of tissue I wiped my arse with this morning after an epic turd.

History is very grey regarding accurate records & claimants. I will look into some lineage article's (cbz plus other's including boxrec) I can find but if chb members want to go from a common start point then that would also help. It's to provide some info on what we know has a time line. Some articles may be biased what I find/found but its to try & give some info on a fighter even if its just to lists Birth, Death, Record, Height - you know the basic info on boxrec.

I know no list will be comprehensive but just try to provide some info on how it progressed through the years, any disputed title can be listed - the Middleweight division in the 30's in a prime example so I could explain something along the lines of:

Mickey Walker vacated title & Tony Zale won the Universal Recognition but in between a number of claimants for the title

Then do same as what I did in Chana Porpaion sample listing Gorilla jones, Marcel Thil etc etc

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Regarding Straw division I agree but it's out there. I'm one who wants 15 round fights & scale it down to original 8 divisions with the possibility of Cruiserweight being included but @ 190 pounds to make 9 divisions, but that's just my pennies worth.

The original 8 divisions possibly start at:

Heavy - John L Sullivan
L Heavy - ? - Could be Joe Choynski or Jack Root
Middle - Possibly Jack Dempsey
Welter - Tommy Ryan / Mysteriously Billy Smith
Light - Jack McAuliffe ?
Feather - Tommy Warren or Torpedo Billy Murphy
Bantam - Jimmy Barry or Tommy Warren
Fly - Probably Jimmy Wilde

Can use Hugman's to list claimants especially at the beginning of the divisions whereas newer divisions have been accurately documented.

In posts that a champ has been stripped of one belt but kept another then I would state info that's out there. With the later titles then If someone was considered the Man then that would be noted -

2 examples could be Bob Foster stripped of WBA title then Vincente Rondan won & ultimately lost to Foster in a unification &
Sergio Martinez who won the title but was stripped of 2 alphabet belts (WBC & WBO) but has since regained WBC version.

Lastly, I would probably stick to the 4 main titles but mention If a belt was on offer - eg. Hatton V Pacquiao for IBO & Lineal title. I ain't gonna pls everyone but just try to have a thread that provides a snapshot of history, may even educate some on past champs. Anything that may be missed I assume mod's can insert posts if Necessary (not sure).

I am going through the divisions so do not have all the info at hand but have some & will trawl net for info - will be long process but would be there at the end result of sorts. Its the info on the net so anyone can access but just have a thread with loads of info may be nice. Can always skip fighters or divisions you don't like.

 

[scribbs]

Tommy Warren should not be listed on bantam ops

 

[Flea Man]

@scribbs

Original HW lineage stops at Tunney. Then the tourney and the Sharkeys, Baers, Schmeling, Caernera, Braddock days. Then Louis. Then Charles. Then Walcott. Marciano. Patterson. Johanson. Patterson. Liston. Ali. Frazier. Foreman. Ali.

Shall we start with fly or heavy? If fly then it's Wilde, Lee, Wilde (or did he win it back from Symonds???) Villa...did he lose it? Didn't did he, he died instead.

 

[scribbs]

@scribbs

Original HW lineage stops at Tunney. Then the tourney and the Sharkeys, Baers, Schmeling, Caernera, Braddock days. Then Louis. Then Charles. Then Walcott. Marciano. Patterson. Johanson. Patterson. Liston. Ali. Frazier. Foreman. Ali.

Shall we start with fly or heavy? If fly then it's Wilde, Lee, Wilde (or did he win it back from Symonds???) Villa...did he lose it? Didn't did he, he died instead.

SO that's a no from you then

 

[Flea Man]

I dunno whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Ask @lufcrazy he has done it for every weightclass from then to now already and his criteria will no doubt spark debate, an incredible undertaking.

 

[scribbs]

(so not SO), I've got sausage fingers typing too fast - it was a question without a ?. I wasn't sure if you being sarcastic.

If it's been done then fair do's - I haven't seen it. I'll just keep storing info locally - you never know when web pages go down.

 

[Flea Man]

Nah I was tryin' to fill in as many blanks as I knew for those weights.

And Luf has done his own thing but it will no doubt prove useful.

 

[Luf]

Yeah as flea says I have dome something very similar to this although at times is strays from the lineage dependent upon circumstances across certain eras.

I've literally just got home and I cba turning my computer on right now but I'll post some of my divisions tomorrow.

 

[w;dkm ckeqfjq c]

I'm interested.

Yeah as flea says I have dome something very similar to this although at times is strays from the lineage dependent upon circumstances across certain eras.

I've literally just got home and I cba turning my computer on right now but I'll post some of my divisions tomorrow.

I've not seen you post in ages.

 

[Luf]

Here's my most recent take on the premiere fighter in the HW division:

John L Sullivan Jul 1882 Apr 1889
Peter Jackson Apr 1889 Sep 1892
James Corbett Sep 1892 Feb 1896
Bob Fitzsimmons Feb 1896 Jun 1899
James Jeffries Jun 1899 Apr 1906
Jack Johnson Apr 1906 Apr 1915
Jess Willard Apr 1915 Jul 1919
Jack Dempsey Jul 1919 Sep 1924
Harry Wills Sep 1924 Sep 1926
Gene Tunney Sep 1926 Sep 1929
Jack Sharkey Sep 1929 Jun 1930
Max Schmelling Jun 1930 Jun 1933
Max Baer Jun 1933 Jun 1935
James Braddock Jun 1935 Jun 1937
Joe Louis Jun 1937 Jun 1949
Ezzard Charles Jun 1949 Jul 1951
Jersey Joe Walcott Jul 1951 Sep 1952
Rocky Marciano Sep 1952 Nov 1956
Floyd Patterson Nov 1956 Jun 1959
Ingo Johanneson Jun 1959 Jun 1960
Floyd Patterson Jun 1960 Sep 1962
Sonny Liston Sep 1962 Feb 1964
Muhammad Ali Feb 1964 Mar 1968
Joe Frazier Mar 1968 Jan 1973
George Foreman Jan 1973 Oct 1974
Muhammad Ali Oct 1974 Sep 1976
Ken Norton Sep 1976 Jun 1978
Larry Holmes Jun 1978 May 1983
Tim Witherspoon May 1983 Aug 1984
Pinklon Thomas Aug 1984 Mar 1986
Trevor Berbick Mar 1986 Nov 1986
Mike Tyson Nov 1986 Feb 1990
Buster Douglas Feb 1990 Oct 1990
Evander Holyfield Oct 1990 Nov 1992
Riddick Bowe Nov 1992 Nov 1993
Evander Holyfield Nov 1993 Apr 1994
Michael Moorer Apr 1994 Nov 1994
George Foreman Nov 1994 Mar 1996
Mike Tyson Mar 1996 Nov 1996
Evander Holyfield Nov 1996 Mar 1999
Lennox Lewis Mar 1999 Apr 2001
Hasim Rahman Apr 2001 Nov 2001
Lennox Lewis Nov 2001 Mar 2004
Vitali Klitschko Mar 2004 Apr 2006
Wlad Klitschko Apr 2006 Jan 2013

 

[JamieC]

Nicely put together @lufcrazy, cheers