[Teeto]

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[Lunny]

Nice piece.

I never got it when people were claiming that Khan's chin problems were in the past after Maidana and Peterson. To me I've always seen it as a problem, he learnt to survive a bit better when he was rocked but the chin has been a continuing issue for him.

I'm real interested to see how Virgil Hunter is moulding him. Will we see a completely different Khan already?

 

[Teeto]

Nice piece.

I never got it when people were claiming that Khan's chin problems were in the past after Maidana and Peterson. To me I've always seen it as a problem, he learnt to survive a bit better when he was rocked but the chin has been a continuing issue for him.

I'm real interested to see how Virgil Hunter is moulding him. Will we see a completely different Khan already?

Nice one Lun.

It looks like the way Hunter is having him shadow box is in that Andre Ward type style with his left arm always being extended, staying in between him and his opponent constantly, like a range finder but also as a defensive tool. He really needs to have a better defence Khan IMO you know.

 

[Lunny]

Nice one Lun.

It looks like the way Hunter is having him shadow box is in that Andre Ward type style with his left arm always being extended, staying in between him and his opponent constantly, like a range finder but also as a defensive tool. He really needs to have a better defence Khan IMO you know.

Very much agreed. I think a lot of his defensive issues come a lack of discipline in the ring. As you said in the article he doesn't use them long fast legs to get away when he has the tools to do it. Then he gets into a position that he shouldn't even be in and his defensive game isn't up to scratch to stay there, if you know what I mean.

Always wanting to prove his chin since Prescott, I hope that's been beaten out of him now. With Peterson he seemed to just lie on the ropes trying to prove how much he could take a punch. No, Khan! That's not how you win fights, you lose fights by taking loads of punches atsch

Still, he's one of the most exciting boxers in the game at the moment and I think the move the Hunter is the right one for him. Can't wait to see how he comes out on Saturday.

 

[Teeto]

Very much agreed. I think a lot of his defensive issues come a lack of discipline in the ring. As you said in the article he doesn't use them long fast legs to get away when he has the tools to do it. Then he gets into a position that he shouldn't even be in and his defensive game isn't up to scratch to stay there, if you know what I mean.

Always wanting to prove his chin since Prescott, I hope that's been beaten out of him now. With Peterson he seemed to just lie on the ropes trying to prove how much he could take a punch. No, Khan! That's not how you win fights, you lose fights by taking loads of punches atsch

Still, he's one of the most exciting boxers in the game at the moment and I think the move the Hunter is the right one for him. Can't wait to see how he comes out on Saturday.

Yeah that's a great post lad. And yeah, on the first point, I get you fully, totally agreed on that. Hunter seems to know a think or two about the issues khan needs to improve on but it's just hard to change basically overnight isn't it.

 

[Wallet]

Very much agreed. I think a lot of his defensive issues come a lack of discipline in the ring. As you said in the article he doesn't use them long fast legs to get away when he has the tools to do it. Then he gets into a position that he shouldn't even be in and his defensive game isn't up to scratch to stay there, if you know what I mean.

Always wanting to prove his chin since Prescott, I hope that's been beaten out of him now. With Peterson he seemed to just lie on the ropes trying to prove how much he could take a punch. No, Khan! That's not how you win fights, you lose fights by taking loads of punches atsch

Still, he's one of the most exciting boxers in the game at the moment and I think the move the Hunter is the right one for him. Can't wait to see how he comes out on Saturday.

He uses his legs too much, in a way. He circles too wide which then leads to him getting stuck on the ropes. Then he has to try fight his way out. Looks fine when he's boxing against people like Judah, Malignaggi etc who don't cut the ring off, but when he faces a bit of pressure he unravels.

I don't think he was happy to sit on the ropes against Peterson either. He just couldn't keep him off. He was throwing flurries with nothing behind them and Peterson was just walking straight through, same with Maidana. It's not that he wants the fight there, it's that he's forced too.

 

[Lunny]

He uses his legs too much, in a way. He circles too wide which then leads to him getting stuck on the ropes. Then he has to try fight his way out. Looks fine when he's boxing against people like Judah, Malignaggi etc who don't cut the ring off, but when he faces a bit of pressure he unravels.

I don't think he was happy to sit on the ropes against Peterson either. He just couldn't keep him off. He was throwing flurries with nothing behind them and Peterson was just walking straight through, same with Maidana. It's not that he wants the fight there, it's that he's forced too.

I just had him down as wanting to be a macho man. What would you want him to do better/different specifically when it comes to that? Like how should be be getting off the ropes and not into those positions, where should he improve?

 

[Wallet]

I just had him down as wanting to be a macho man. What would you want him to do better/different specifically when it comes to that? Like how should be be getting off the ropes and not into those positions, where should he improve?

There is an element of it, but far less than people make out. I'm talking more about the Maidana/Peterson fights there than Garcia though. He went into that fight with a stupid mentality and it shown. The warning signs were there from the sparring videos when he was going to war.

He needs to put more meat behind his shots, particularly his jab. The amateurish flurries aren't working for him.

Obviously needs a lot of work on his footwork as well. So that he isn't getting caught on the ropes like I said before, and so that he isn't falling in on his shots when he throws a combination. It's probably a reason why there isn't much authority behind his combinations.

I'm not sure how much can be done though. He's an idiot.

 

[scribbs]

It's one thing for me to advise a fighter behind my type writer

Still on the old technology eh, I kid :lol:

Khan has some good skills but as you stated he tends to trade which is dangerous with a suspect chin. I have had the opinion since the Limond fight that he would struggle to live up to his hyped billing. Again I was not impressed particularly when he beat Kotelnik & Judah - one average champion & another past his sell by date. Will be interesting to see how his new trainer will implement a strategy & if Khan can now learn from his mistakes - time will tell but let's see if he can come through this fight first.

 

[Lunny]

There is an element of it, but far less than people make out. I'm talking more about the Maidana/Peterson fights there than Garcia though. He went into that fight with a stupid mentality and it shown. The warning signs were there from the sparring videos when he was going to war.

He needs to put more meat behind his shots, particularly his jab. The amateurish flurries aren't working for him.

Obviously needs a lot of work on his footwork as well. So that he isn't getting caught on the ropes like I said before, and so that he isn't falling in on his shots when he throws a combination. It's probably a reason why there isn't much authority behind his combinations.

I'm not sure how much can be done though. He's an idiot.

Cheers, Wallet. Yeah I was thinking mostly the Peterson fight really. that's where I thought he was acting macho.

Know what you mean about the amateurish flurries and seeming all over the place when he throws a combination.

Can't wait to see what Hunter's done with him.

 

[Steve Funn]

Think he just needs to learn more clinching and spoiling as much as anything and have the intelligence to use it when punched instead of deciding to dance around with his hands in the air, with his strengths and weaknesses he'd be best off being a boring safety first fighter but well I'm glad hes a bit stupid as it makes him exciting.

 

[Miguel2010]

Might look different when he comes out...Soon as he gets caught with any telling punch, he will start wading forward and leaning in throwing stupid mc flurrys and bop. Game over.

 

[Wallet]

Roach said: 'Amir's hitting as hard as ever in sparring because he knows that if something goes wrong its not as important in the gym as if it happens in a fight in the ring. The problem is that he's a little wary throwing his right hand now.
'He suffered some damage to the right wrist a while back and once any fighter gets hand trouble it's with him for the rest of his life.
'That's part of boxing and you have to live with it. He doesn't want it to go again in a fight. It often stops him punching properly with the right as well.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...Roach-reveals-wrist-injury.html#ixzz2EzWXucgR

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[Roe]

I'm not sure how much can be done though. He's an idiot.

:lol: Harsh but pretty true.

Khan has some good skills but as you stated he tends to trade which is dangerous with a suspect chin. I have had the opinion since the Limond fight that he would struggle to live up to his hyped billing. Again I was not impressed particularly when he beat Kotelnik & Judah - one average champion & another past his sell by date. Will be interesting to see how his new trainer will implement a strategy & if Khan can now learn from his mistakes - time will tell but let's see if he can come through this fight first.

I think you have to give credit to Khan for going out and trying his best to improve. Whether it be training in the Philippines with Manny, switching to completely different style trainers etc, he's sacrificed a lot to be the best he can be. As you say time will tell if this latest switch does him any good.

 

[scribbs]

I think you have to give credit to Khan for going out and trying his best to improve. Whether it be training in the Philippines with Manny, switching to completely different style trainers etc, he's sacrificed a lot to be the best he can be. As you say time will tell if this latest switch does him any good.

I like Khan, he provides entertaining fights that's for sure. I just take a pragmatic view when assessing fights & fighters - it's subjectivity but it's the only way I find you make sense. Too many fighters get hyped & have no real substance. Khan is in world class at present & will give world class opponents a decent tussle win or lose.

A few years back a mate of mine was hyping Ricky Hatton before he fought Tszyu. I kept saying to wait until he had fought someone at World class level but he couldn't get his head around it - we had many debates. When Hatton beat Tszyu I gave him some praise but was still a bit reserved as Tszyu had been inactive for quite some time. Obviously he proved himself over the next 4 years & I am constantly reminded of this, that's all in good banter. Get my own back though, mate was massive Tyson fan but I was in the Holyfield camp & there's no need to describe what happened between them, me thinks!

 

[Teeto]

He uses his legs too much, in a way. He circles too wide which then leads to him getting stuck on the ropes. Then he has to try fight his way out. Looks fine when he's boxing against people like Judah, Malignaggi etc who don't cut the ring off, but when he faces a bit of pressure he unravels.

I don't think he was happy to sit on the ropes against Peterson either. He just couldn't keep him off. He was throwing flurries with nothing behind them and Peterson was just walking straight through, same with Maidana. It's not that he wants the fight there, it's that he's forced too.

This is all true.

It's shit for him imo cos even though what you say is true, moving round the ring is still Khan's best bet when it comes to fighting, because if he goes into the trenches it's an outright disaster, because of his defense, and he doesn't have the footwork or ring generalship to box in mid ring and stay out of danger. What he is good at is being mobile and flurrying, which isn't very encouraging as you say.

 

[JamieC]

I like Khan, he provides entertaining fights that's for sure. I just take a pragmatic view when assessing fights & fighters - it's subjectivity but it's the only way I find you make sense. Too many fighters get hyped & have no real substance. Khan is in world class at present & will give world class opponents a decent tussle win or lose.

A few years back a mate of mine was hyping Ricky Hatton before he fought Tszyu. I kept saying to wait until he had fought someone at World class level but he couldn't get his head around it - we had many debates. When Hatton beat Tszyu I gave him some praise but was still a bit reserved as Tszyu had been inactive for quite some time. Obviously he proved himself over the next 4 years & I am constantly reminded of this, that's all in good banter. Get my own back though, mate was massive Tyson fan but I was in the Holyfield camp & there's no need to describe what happened between them, me thinks!

Berto is another example of someone hyped without substance, Broner will be next, I think Khan has something about him though, he can still do stuff in the game, whether he will is down to his intelligence

 

[scribbs]

Berto is another example of someone hyped without substance, Broner will be next, I think Khan has something about him though, he can still do stuff in the game, whether he will is down to his intelligence

Yeah, Berto got a lot of press but I have to give some credit, he's been in some good fights. Khan will give most fighters trouble with his speed but it's when he gets the top men who can give & take that he has/will fall short. Can't see him being an Hall of Famer but he should have a decent career

The problem is modern boxing. The sport has been marginalised and with competition from MMA the waters are even more diluted. The pool of fighters today are lower in numbers than in the past & adding the number of world titles on offer, a fighter can gain hype & exposure without really tackling anyone who is a seriously class opponent. The number of divisions doesn't help either. Personally I am waiting to see what will happen if the WBC, IBF & WBO bring in the super duper hoopla Cruiserweight title, as I am not sure my support for this sport will carry on. We will see!

 

[Danny]

He has the size, speed and skills to command the centre of the ring in my opinion so long as he improves on the key areas he needs to do so. First of all, he needs to start sitting down on his punches more and correct his technique. His combinations are often sloppy because he doesn't throw every punch as it should be thrown and flurries, where he sacrifices accuracy and power. We've seen what can happen when he punches properly, i.e the bodyshot against Maidana, he just needs to do it consistently. He needs to start jabbing with the type of authority he did against Malignaggi too and use it more often.

His footwork needs a tonne of work obviously and it's the reason he's getting backed up so easily. When he does that and he gets against the ropes, that's when he's in major trouble, because he has major problems with his defensive guard - particularly against the uppercut inside which he is extremely susceptible too - and doesn't have the upper body movement to slip and avoid punches. Working with Hunter will hopefully be very good for him in that sense because we've seen how clever and schooled Ward is, hopefully Hunter can teach Khan a few tricks of the trade to get himself off the ropes and back in to the centre of the ring whenever it happens.

Aside from that, he obviously needs a mentality change too. Would Ward stand and trade and go to war if he got caught and hurt? Would Mayweather? Would Wlad? It's a stupid premise and he needs to learn to keep calm, re-focus and survive until his head is clear. As a form of survival when hurt, attempting to get out of it by hurting the other guy by going punch-for-punch while hurt and dazed when you're not a big puncher and have a susceptible chin has to be the most stupid decision you could possibly make at that point. I'm skeptical as to whether he can change because we seem to have heard this before from him, but he really does need to recognise his strengths and weaknesses and stick to them. Roach wasn't the type of strong, loud character that would stand up to him on this issue though and really enforce it in to him that he's going to get knocked out again and again if he doesn't learn to box to his strengths. Hopefully Hunter can be.

 

[Vano-irons]

Nice article man!