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Boxing Trainers. Who are the best out there now? Who are the future greats?

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#1 ·
I the past year we've lost 2 of the greatest trainers of all time in Dundee and Steward.

Are there any trainers operating at the moment that you think could one day be mentioned in the same breath as these guys? Who are the future legends?

Are there any trainers operating now that you think are up there?

What do you think makes a great trainer?
 
#2 ·
i was thinking this yesterday, who is there that will be the next generation? Roach is the best out there at the minute imo, though its popular to slate him atm, hunter's very good, but who have steward and dundee passed their knowledge on to? to be a great coach you have to be versatile, have an understanding of technique and that every part of that technique is equally important when building a boxer (too many coaches overlook flaws in their fighters instead of teaching boxing 101) and have a tactical brain, they have to know how to win full stop, whilst being a brilliant man manager. who out there is a young up and coming coach ticking those boxes? im struggling to think of any
 
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i was thinking this yesterday, who is there that will be the next generation? Roach is the best out there at the minute imo, though its popular to slate him atm, hunter's very good, but who have steward and dundee passed their knowledge on to? to be a great coach you have to be versatile, have an understanding of technique and that every part of that technique is equally important when building a boxer (too many coaches overlook flaws in their fighters instead of teaching boxing 101) and have a tactical brain, they have to know how to win full stop, whilst being a brilliant man manager. who out there is a young up and coming coach ticking those boxes? im struggling to think of any
Roach is good but I fully understand the criticism of him. He's got clear flaws. Though having Khan probably didn't help my perception of that.

Hunter must certainly be a great trainer to get Ward to what he is but who else has he trained? Serious question, I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with Khan, I think he'll be good for Amir. Only if Khan listens to him and doesn't let his massive ego get in the way though.
 
#4 ·
Roach is good but I fully understand the criticism of him. He's got clear flaws. Though having Khan probably didn't help my perception of that.

Hunter must certainly be a great trainer to get Ward to what he is but who else has he trained? Serious question, I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with Khan, I think he'll be good for Amir. Only if Khan listens to him and doesn't let his massive ego get in the way though.
Hunter has Mike Dallas Jr and Karim Mayfield as well, that's about the only two he has on his books that I've heard of. Don't think he's trained either all the way through their careers though, he had Mayfield in the ams doe but they've only hooked up for his last few fights.
 
#8 ·
For crying out loud, Lunny. I saw the thread title and I came in here and was thinking about saying Steward, Roach and Nacho are my top three current and most established guys. And then it didn't even dawn on me, talking about it all week, that Steward was dead until my slow connection loaded the page and I looked at your opening post. Horrible. It's going to take some serious getting used to.

Now, people talk about Roach's flaws, I've got to say, to me, because he's such a media circus personality within the boxing world; Roach, quite exactly like Steward, all mourning bias aside, and the fact that I don't personally like Roach, and most trainers, has a flaw by way of mostly the same way fighters are usually flawed. That is to say, they specialise in styles. Roach specialises in fast, mid-range, in and out fighters. Steward specialised in tall, rangy, outside boxers who were heavily jab dependent. It doesn't mean they couldn't train anyone else, and it doesn't mean they weren't great and knowledgeable of the game. They were two of the three top trainers names for a reason, in my book. But, like most fighters, they know what they're good at and capitalise on it and have lesser parts of their game. They have a training style. Nacho does too. It's as unavoidable as not having any particular boxing style at the highest level for the fighters. That's the way it seems to me anyway.
 
#9 ·
For crying out loud, Lunny. I saw the thread title and I came in here and was thinking about saying Steward, Roach and Nacho are my top three current and most established guys. And then it didn't even dawn on me, talking about it all week, that Steward was dead until my slow connection loaded the page and I looked at your opening post. Horrible. It's going to take some serious getting used to.

Now, people talk about Roach's flaws, I've got to say, to me, because he's such a media circus personality within the boxing world; Roach, quite exactly like Steward, all mourning bias aside, and the fact that I don't personally like Roach, and most trainers, has a flaw by way of mostly the same way fighters are usually flawed. That is to say, they specialise in styles. Roach specialises in fast, mid-range, in and out fighters. Steward specialised in tall, rangy, outside boxers who were heavily jab dependent. It doesn't mean they couldn't train anyone else, and it doesn't mean they weren't great and knowledgeable of the game. They were two of the three top trainers names for a reason, in my book. But, like most fighters, they know what they're good at and capitalise on it and have lesser parts of their game. They have a training style. Nacho does too. It's as unavoidable as not having any particular boxing style at the highest level for the fighters. That's the way it seems to me anyway.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense it all being about styles.

Beristain's a great shout.
 
#10 ·
Virgil Hunter & Freddie Roach appear to be the next big names that could challenge Steward & Dundee in years to come as both these guys are verging on legendary status - they just need another few champions each and they will be spoken about in years to come.

I've always liked Teddy Atlas as a trainer he's a bit of an unknown dark horse and has as much if not more knowledge as the two mentioned above.
 
#12 ·
Not sold on Virgil Hunter as a great yet. IMO Adam Booth, Rob McCracken and Jimmy Tibbs have all achieved more than him. It may be a case of Ward making Hunter rather than the other way round. I'm not saying he can't be great but he needs more than just Ward as it could be put down to Ward being a special fighter.
 
#15 ·
IMO roach is already in the top 10 of all time, afterall we're judging his whole career rather than hid current situation.
As for others, definitely consider Ronnie shields, roger mayweathers always gonna get a mention (even if it is only Floyd), Robert Garcia And possibly buddy mcgirt? And of course, the three fury's: Peter, hughie and John!
 
#18 ·
Pedro Diaz has impressed me massively so far. Even with his limited experience in the pro game.
same, how many people does he train?
 
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