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British Top 30 P4P May 2013

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1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (19.) Martin Murray
5. (4.) Amir Khan
6. (11.) Tyson Fury
7. (5.) Nathan Cleverly
8. (6.) Ola Afolabi
9. (7.) Kell Brook
10. (8.) Matthew Macklin

11. (9.) George Groves
12. (10.) Carl Frampton
13. (12.) Darren Barker
14. (17.) Lee Selby
15. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
16. (14.) Scott Quigg
17. (15.) Tony Bellew
18. (16.) James DeGale
19. (28.) Lee Haskins
20. (25.) Brian Rose

21. (18.) Gavin Rees
22. (20.) Gary Buckland
23. (30.) Dereck Chisora
24. (21.) Andy Lee (Irish)
25. (22.) Kevin Satchell
26. (23.) David Price
27. (24.) Brian Magee (Irish)
28. (26.) Frankie Gavin
29. (27.) Kevin Mitchell
30. (29.) Rendall Munroe
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Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.
I'd just like to know why Fury has rose so high in a P4P list when he struggled with a man that was 44lbs lighter than him?

As an example, it's the equivalent of a light heavyweight beating a welterweight...
If Chisora beat Haye who was 210 lbs and 37 lbs lighter when they fought: Don't you think he would have deserved a good jump up the rankings?

Cunningham was a top 10/15 ranked heavyweight fighter when they fought, it was a world class win against a small heavyweight. Not many fighters in the rankings have a win against someone as good as Cunningham.
I've been waiting for this.

Murray, who lost to a world class fighter, up 19 places. Chisora, who had lost to a world class fighter, was down at 30. What was the difference? Also, how come Del has moved up so much after a win over a journeymen?
Murray arguably beat Martinez. Chisora got knocked out by Haye after losing every round.

Chisora moved up so much because of his past results.

Clev outclassed Krasniqi, Fury struggled badly with USS, but both had changed position. How come?

The lack of Billy Joe Saunders still saddens me
Krasniqi is a nobody. Cunningham is a world class fighter.

Saunders should fight better opposition so I can include him.
I still don't understand how this works.

Haskins and Chisora seem to have gone up just by beating guys already ranked below them. In Chisora's case, well below them. Presumably next week Frankie Gavin and Kevin Mitchell could beat anyone and they'd go up just because they fought and got a win.
I don't normally move a fighter up that much for a win against someone like Avila, but I thought Chisora deserved to be higher so I moved him up. He won't be going much higher if he fights another guy like Avila.

I actually agree with you raising Fury though. Yeah he outweighed Cunningham but that's the nature of his division. It's still a better win that most of the others in this list have.
i like it tbg
Nick Blackwell is one of the best prospects in the country, BJS's win over him is very impressive, as is his shutout win over Matt Hall.
Blackwell is not a top prospect. Beating Hall at middleweight isn't worth much in my opinion.

I'm still be sure how it works either. Murray proved he could mix it a world level, but ultimately lost. Chisora, when he fought Vitali, did the same
Martinez is P4P better than Vitali and Chisora won a few rounds whereas Murray arguably won. It is not the same.

Cunningham is a world class cruiser weight who was on the verge of stopping Tyson, who looked plan awful for 5 rounds. I don't think stopping him should get Fury that much props. But it was a good win
Cunningham wasn't on the verge of stopping Fury. Fury beating Cunningham is better than anything Cleverly has done recently and better than anything Brook has ever done.
Chisora's moved up because of past results?

L4 W2
He has shown he can compete at a high level in those fights.
It was an above average win, made better that he travelled abroad to do it. The performance just doesn't warrant him moving up a P4P list, IMO.

And yes, Chisora - assuming he was impressive in winning - would have deserved being moved up quite a few spots. But that's because he doesn't have a win on his ledger that is on the level of a Haye win. I would, however, still mark it down somewhat for the differential in size between them. If someone winning is determined due to them holding a noticeable size advantage, like Fury-Cunningham or Haye-Chisora if Dereck had won, then surely that would detract from their "P4P" ranking?

Sorry, but that 'nature of his division' line isn't good enough reasoning for me.
He knocked out a world class fighter, so he definitely deserved to move up the rankings.

Fury beating Cunningham is, for examples sake, the equivalent of Tony Bellew beating Joshua Clottey. If Bellew got dropped and was losing on the majority of the scorecards after six rounds before rallying to victory, would he be moved up in a P4P list?

No, in fact the opposite would happen.
It would be similar if Clottey had come up to the light heavyweight division and lost a very controversial decision against Cloud before fighting Bellew.
Even though I normally agree with that viewpoint, Kos - it's the reason I didn't rate Wlad's win over Haye as highly as some others did. But in this case, I think Fury does deserve credit for it. Yes, Fury holds a significant size advantage over most of his division and I've said before that it's the main reason he's a "prospect", but in terms of the Cunningham win it was still impressive-ish. At least IMO.

Cleverly's win over Krasniqi means much less to me.
It seems strange to me that anyone would consider Cleverly's win against Krasniqi to be better.

It was the P4P level of win that I'd expect Matt Hatton to pick up whilst still staying off the list. It was absolute garbage.
Nick Blackwell is 100% a prospect. He was thrown to the lions against Murray when he clearly wasn't ready for it
He is a fairly unproven prospect, so I don't consider the win to be anything special for Saunders.
But not higher than Brian Rose, Lee Haskins and Lee Selby?

Also, what has Rendall Munroe done in the last 2 and a half years to warren a place above Billy Joe? Surely Saunders' win over Hall and Blackwell are better than a shutout KO defeat to Quigg and beating two journeymen?
Three journeymen. Munroe is still in the rankings because of his success in the past, obviously his recent form hasn't been good.

Saunders hasn't done more than Mitchell or Gavin in the last few years, so even if he replaced Munroe he would still only be in 30th place. Hamilton might deserve to replace Munroe more than Saunders anyway.
Why didnt you rate chisora on his past performances before this month
Chisora had been inactive for 9 months, so he fell down the rankings. Now he has fought again he has moved up.
What does the Haye face mean?
Haye, afolabi, macklin, quigg, mitchell and gavin have been inactive though and remained in the list?
So did Chisora.
He was world class at cruiserweight, but even before he jumped up he looked like he was past it. Essentially beating Adamek, who has been distinctly average since moving up himself, does not convince me he is at world level at heavyweight.

Cunningham is little more than a veteran, fringe contender at the weight IMO.
What wins would you think were good for Fury at heavyweight?


The difference between Fury and Adamek is pretty evident; I don't need to point it out.
Adamek is a top 10 heavyweight, beating him at heavyweight is a world class win.
I thougt you only just put him in?
No, he was 30th last month.
Haye has been out an equally long time yet kept a lofty position
Because he is Haye.
Adamek isn't a top 10 HW.
What's your heavyweight top 10 then?
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