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British Top 30 P4P May 2013

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1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (19.) Martin Murray
5. (4.) Amir Khan
6. (11.) Tyson Fury
7. (5.) Nathan Cleverly
8. (6.) Ola Afolabi
9. (7.) Kell Brook
10. (8.) Matthew Macklin

11. (9.) George Groves
12. (10.) Carl Frampton
13. (12.) Darren Barker
14. (17.) Lee Selby
15. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
16. (14.) Scott Quigg
17. (15.) Tony Bellew
18. (16.) James DeGale
19. (28.) Lee Haskins
20. (25.) Brian Rose

21. (18.) Gavin Rees
22. (20.) Gary Buckland
23. (30.) Dereck Chisora
24. (21.) Andy Lee (Irish)
25. (22.) Kevin Satchell
26. (23.) David Price
27. (24.) Brian Magee (Irish)
28. (26.) Frankie Gavin
29. (27.) Kevin Mitchell
30. (29.) Rendall Munroe
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I'd just like to know why Fury has rose so high in a P4P list when he struggled with a man that was 44lbs lighter than him?

As an example, it's the equivalent of a light heavyweight beating a welterweight...
If Chisora beat Haye who was 210 lbs and 37 lbs lighter when they fought: Don't you think he would have deserved a good jump up the rankings?

Cunningham was a top 10/15 ranked heavyweight fighter when they fought, it was a world class win against a small heavyweight. Not many fighters in the rankings have a win against someone as good as Cunningham.
It was an above average win, made better that he travelled abroad to do it. The performance just doesn't warrant him moving up a P4P list, IMO.

And yes, Chisora - assuming he was impressive in winning - would have deserved being moved up quite a few spots. But that's because he doesn't have a win on his ledger that is on the level of a Haye win. I would, however, still mark it down somewhat for the differential in size between them. If someone winning is determined due to them holding a noticeable size advantage, like Fury-Cunningham or Haye-Chisora if Dereck had won, then surely that would detract from their "P4P" ranking?

I actually agree with you raising Fury though. Yeah he outweighed Cunningham but that's the nature of his division. It's still a better win that most of the others in this list have.
Sorry, but that 'nature of his division' line isn't good enough reasoning for me.

Fury beating Cunningham is, for examples sake, the equivalent of Tony Bellew beating Joshua Clottey. If Bellew got dropped and was losing on the majority of the scorecards after six rounds before rallying to victory, would he be moved up in a P4P list?

No, in fact the opposite would happen.

I just don't think some people are taking the "pound-for-pound" part of the rankings literally enough. It's one of the big reasons why 'small' heavys like Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at one point in time flourished in these sort of lists, while the likes of Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko seem to feature simply due to their longevity as champions.
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Even though I normally agree with that viewpoint, Kos - it's the reason I didn't rate Wlad's win over Haye as highly as some others did. But in this case, I think Fury does deserve credit for it. Yes, Fury holds a significant size advantage over most of his division and I've said before that it's the main reason he's a "prospect", but in terms of the Cunningham win it was still impressive-ish. At least IMO.

Cleverly's win over Krasniqi means much less to me.
He deserves credit for the way he changed things up, got himself back into the fight, and eventually forced the stoppage. But even though Cunningham was considered at least a fringe contender at heavyweight, the struggle to beat him despite the huge size advantage and being a big pre-fight favourite means I can't rate it highly.
He knocked out a world class fighter, so he definitely deserved to move up the rankings.
He was world class at cruiserweight, but even before he jumped up he looked like he was past it. Essentially beating Adamek, who has been distinctly average since moving up himself, does not convince me he is at world level at heavyweight.

Cunningham is little more than a veteran, fringe contender at the weight IMO.

It would be similar if Clottey had come up to the light heavyweight division and lost a very controversial decision against Cloud before fighting Bellew.

The difference between Fury and Adamek is pretty evident; I don't need to point it out.
What wins would you think were good for Fury at heavyweight?

Adamek is a top 10 heavyweight, beating him at heavyweight is a world class win.
I don't get this notion that just because someone is considered top 10 in a division it automatically makes them 'world class'. There are only 6/7 boxers at the weight that I would put in that bracket right now; Adamek isn't one of them.
Who are the world class heavyweights?
--- Top guys ---
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
David Haye

--- Level below ---
Alexander Povetkin - Has regressed since his best form in 2007/2008.
Kubrat Pulev - Looked good recently, but his showing against Walker was slightly worrying.

--- Borderline/fringe ---
Odlanier Solis - Has the ability, but not the dedication.
Eddie Chambers - Has moved to cruiserweight I believe?

That isn't the order I would have if I was ranking them (Solis wouldn't be in the top 10, for example), but those are the fighters who I believe have the ability to be considered world class at the weight.
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