British Top 30 P4P May 2013

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King Horse

Discussion Starter · May 1, 2013

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (19.) Martin Murray
5. (4.) Amir Khan
6. (11.) Tyson Fury
7. (5.) Nathan Cleverly
8. (6.) Ola Afolabi
9. (7.) Kell Brook
10. (8.) Matthew Macklin

11. (9.) George Groves
12. (10.) Carl Frampton
13. (12.) Darren Barker
14. (17.) Lee Selby
15. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
16. (14.) Scott Quigg
17. (15.) Tony Bellew
18. (16.) James DeGale
19. (28.) Lee Haskins
20. (25.) Brian Rose

21. (18.) Gavin Rees
22. (20.) Gary Buckland
23. (30.) Dereck Chisora
24. (21.) Andy Lee (Irish)
25. (22.) Kevin Satchell
26. (23.) David Price
27. (24.) Brian Magee (Irish)
28. (26.) Frankie Gavin
29. (27.) Kevin Mitchell
30. (29.) Rendall Munroe

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King Horse

Discussion Starter · #21 · May 1, 2013

dkos said:
It was an above average win, made better that he travelled abroad to do it. The performance just doesn't warrant him moving up a P4P list, IMO.

And yes, Chisora - assuming he was impressive in winning - would have deserved being moved up quite a few spots. But that's because he doesn't have a win on his ledger that is on the level of a Haye win. I would, however, still mark it down somewhat for the differential in size between them. If someone winning is determined due to them holding a noticeable size advantage, like Fury-Cunningham or Haye-Chisora if Dereck had won, then surely that would detract from their "P4P" ranking?

Sorry, but that 'nature of his division' line isn't good enough reasoning for me.

He knocked out a world class fighter, so he definitely deserved to move up the rankings.

dkos said:
Fury beating Cunningham is, for examples sake, the equivalent of Tony Bellew beating Joshua Clottey. If Bellew got dropped and was losing on the majority of the scorecards after six rounds before rallying to victory, would he be moved up in a P4P list?

No, in fact the opposite would happen.

It would be similar if Clottey had come up to the light heavyweight division and lost a very controversial decision against Cloud before fighting Bellew.

Vano-irons

· #22 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
He has shown he can compete at a high level in those fights.

But not higher than Brian Rose, Lee Haskins and Lee Selby?

Also, what has Rendall Munroe done in the last 2 and a half years to warren a place above Billy Joe? Surely Saunders' win over Hall and Blackwell are better than a shutout KO defeat to Quigg and beating two journeymen?

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #23 · May 1, 2013

Roe said:
Even though I normally agree with that viewpoint, Kos - it's the reason I didn't rate Wlad's win over Haye as highly as some others did. But in this case, I think Fury does deserve credit for it. Yes, Fury holds a significant size advantage over most of his division and I've said before that it's the main reason he's a "prospect", but in terms of the Cunningham win it was still impressive-ish. At least IMO.

Cleverly's win over Krasniqi means much less to me.

It seems strange to me that anyone would consider Cleverly's win against Krasniqi to be better.

It was the P4P level of win that I'd expect Matt Hatton to pick up whilst still staying off the list. It was absolute garbage.

adamcanavan

· #24 · May 1, 2013

Why didnt you rate chisora on his past performances before this month

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #25 · May 1, 2013

Vano-irons said:
Nick Blackwell is 100% a prospect. He was thrown to the lions against Murray when he clearly wasn't ready for it

He is a fairly unproven prospect, so I don't consider the win to be anything special for Saunders.

Noonaldinho

· #26 · May 1, 2013

adamcanavan said:
Why didnt you rate chisora on his past performances before this month

:think

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #27 · May 1, 2013

Vano-irons said:
But not higher than Brian Rose, Lee Haskins and Lee Selby?

No.

Vano-irons said:
Also, what has Rendall Munroe done in the last 2 and a half years to warren a place above Billy Joe? Surely Saunders' win over Hall and Blackwell are better than a shutout KO defeat to Quigg and beating two journeymen?

Three journeymen. Munroe is still in the rankings because of his success in the past, obviously his recent form hasn't been good.

Saunders hasn't done more than Mitchell or Gavin in the last few years, so even if he replaced Munroe he would still only be in 30th place. Hamilton might deserve to replace Munroe more than Saunders anyway.

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #28 · May 1, 2013

adamcanavan said:
Why didnt you rate chisora on his past performances before this month

Chisora had been inactive for 9 months, so he fell down the rankings. Now he has fought again he has moved up.

Noonaldinho

· #29 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
Chisora had been inactive for 9 months, so he fell down the rankings. Now he has fought again he has moved up.

:haye

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #30 · May 1, 2013

Noonaldinho said:
:haye

What does the Haye face mean?

adamcanavan

· #31 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
Chisora had been inactive for 9 months, so he fell down the rankings. Now he has fought again he has moved up.

Haye, afolabi, macklin, quigg, mitchell and gavin have been inactive though and remained in the list?

dkos

· #32 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
He knocked out a world class fighter, so he definitely deserved to move up the rankings.

He was world class at cruiserweight, but even before he jumped up he looked like he was past it. Essentially beating Adamek, who has been distinctly average since moving up himself, does not convince me he is at world level at heavyweight.

Cunningham is little more than a veteran, fringe contender at the weight IMO.

King Horse said:
It would be similar if Clottey had come up to the light heavyweight division and lost a very controversial decision against Cloud before fighting Bellew.

No.

The difference between Fury and Adamek is pretty evident; I don't need to point it out.

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #33 · May 1, 2013

adamcanavan said:
Haye, afolabi, macklin, quigg, mitchell and gavin have been inactive though and remained in the list?

So did Chisora.

adamcanavan

· #34 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
So did Chisora.

I thougt you only just put him in?

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #35 · May 1, 2013

dkos said:
He was world class at cruiserweight, but even before he jumped up he looked like he was past it. Essentially beating Adamek, who has been distinctly average since moving up himself, does not convince me he is at world level at heavyweight.

Cunningham is little more than a veteran, fringe contender at the weight IMO.

What wins would you think were good for Fury at heavyweight?

dkos said:
No.

The difference between Fury and Adamek is pretty evident; I don't need to point it out.

Adamek is a top 10 heavyweight, beating him at heavyweight is a world class win.

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #36 · May 1, 2013

adamcanavan said:
I thougt you only just put him in?

No, he was 30th last month.

adamcanavan

· #37 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
No, he was 30th last month.

Ahh ok, my bad :good

King Horse

Discussion Starter · #38 · May 1, 2013

:good

Noonaldinho

· #39 · May 1, 2013

King Horse said:
What does the Haye face mean?

Haye has been out an equally long time yet kept a lofty position

Vano-irons

· #40 · May 1, 2013

Adamek isn't a top 10 HW.

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