Brook vs Saldivia...Who wins? Likely method of victory?

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Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · Oct 18, 2012

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I think that Kell can get a mid to late rounds stoppage. Trying my best not to have any bias at all here lads.

If Kell has done the things he says, eating right, going the extra mile etc in every department, then we may well see something from Brook that we have yet to see from the lad.

Im quite exited to see how the new and improved Brook will fair.

How you see it lads?

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Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #21 · Oct 18, 2012

Mr.Gilfoid said:
Don't hold your breath on that one. At least one more eliminator to go I reckon.

Nah, this is for shot at the IBF title....The words final eliminator should give you a clue.

Scotty

· #22 · Oct 18, 2012

Miguel2010 said:
Nah, this is for shot at the IBF title....The words final eliminator should give you a clue.

His next one will be a final final eliminator

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #23 · Oct 18, 2012

Mr.Gilfoid said:
His next one will be a final final eliminator

Haha...Ring walk music will be.....

Bryn

· #24 · Oct 18, 2012

Noonaldinho said:
True, but Kell has alot to prove still . Why is Kell so insistent on getting into a Mandatory position with IBF, when he was highley ranked by wbo a few years back :think.

Why did he not set up a title fight previously?

The WBO was held by Pacquiao (I think), who would have no interest in fighting Brook.

The over-rating of Brook is redonkulous, absolutely redonkulous.

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #25 · Oct 18, 2012 (Edited)

Anyone know how to change the poll that I fucked up so bad???
@Brynemod an the lads

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #26 · Oct 18, 2012 (Edited)

Shut it Brynemod!.....Wheres your fucking town cunt!! haha

If Brook was Welsh he would be the next coming of JC. Not Joe Calzaghe but Jesus Christ himself.

Haters gonna hate and you know this!

Bryn

· #27 · Oct 18, 2012

Miguel2010 said:
Anyone know how to change the poll that I fucked up so bad???
@Bryn emod an the lads

Added the other two options for you, wouldn't allow me to add a 5th for draw though.

Wallet

· #28 · Oct 18, 2012

Noonaldinho said:
True, but Kell has alot to prove still . Why is Kell so insistent on getting into a Mandatory position with IBF, when he was highley ranked by wbo a few years back :think.

Why did he not set up a title fight previously?

Brook mysteriously dropped down the ratings and lost his WBO Inter-Bollocks belt when he left Frank.

Miguel2010 said:
Eddie Hearn is to the IBF what Warren is to the WBO.

No way.

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #29 · Oct 18, 2012

Bryn said:
Added the other two options for you, wouldn't allow me to add a 5th for draw though.

Cheers mate, nice one

Cant see a draw anyway so its ok.

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #30 · Oct 18, 2012

Wallet said:
Brook mysteriously dropped down the ratings and lost his WBO Inter-Bollocks belt when he left Frank.

No way.

Do I detect sarcasm in your posting Mr Wallet!

Holmes

· #31 · Oct 18, 2012 (Edited)

Migs I love your loyalty but Khan schools Brook imo. Punches in bunches in a lesson mate.

Carson (who?) Jones isn't all that and took Brook life and death. Brook v Maidana is a fight I wanna see, it would tell us lots about Brook and also is a fight that suits Brook better.

Brook strikes me as a fighter stuck inbetween levels. Domestic and World. Every fight he's had since like Jennings till now seems like a learning fight in which he takes the next step but he never seems to make a statement or show us what he can do. He leaves questions unanswered and his opponents haven't really been all that. He's still untested at top level and seems to have bought into his own hype which is unfounded as his biggest wins are a Matthew Hatton who's domestic level and Carson Jones who is Canelos sparring partner and hasn't achieved anything of note. All the slating of Khan yet it is Khan who has fought best opposition and got himself out there.

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #32 · Oct 18, 2012

Holmes said:
Migs I love your loyalty but Khan schools Brook imo. Punches in bunches in a lesson mate.

Carson (who?) Jones isn't all that and took Brook life and death. Brook v Maidana is a fight I wanna see, it would tell us lots about Brook and also is a fight that suits Brook better.

No way Holmes bro, no way man!...We all know you dont need super power to have Khan on the rack...Flipside is Khans shots carry as much weight as a fart....Kell took some big shots off Jones, (who is pretty heavy handed not mega but good power) and didnt look like going over, proper fucked but didnt look like going down so he could take Khans puny Mcflurrys and time him to perfection, or even pull counter him all day an night...If he Cant KO him he will out point him very easily.

Hopefully we will get to see it soon, then you can all say soz Migs...You were right!

Holmes

· #33 · Oct 18, 2012

You say Khan has puny mcflurrys yet I can't see how Brook is meant to evade Khans flurries with his poor defence. I like Brook but he loses this fight and you're looking too deep into the loss of Garcia whom Khan was beating on points before he let the bomb land. Khan wins that fight in a rematch too imo and I'm not a Khan lover by the way, I just think people have gone too far in knocking him.

I'd be more than happy to say you're right mate, egos are pathetic.

I just think Brookhasn't the ability to overcome Khan and the speed of Khans hands will shock him and his defence wont hold up. If it happens I'm sure I'll be correct with my call, time will tell, for sure.

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #34 · Oct 18, 2012 (Edited)

Holmes said:
Migs I love your loyalty but Khan schools Brook imo. Punches in bunches in a lesson mate.

Carson (who?) Jones isn't all that and took Brook life and death. Brook v Maidana is a fight I wanna see, it would tell us lots about Brook and also is a fight that suits Brook better.

Khans best win is Maidana? You agree?....Prescott aside, he hasnt fought another puncher except Maidana and won....

Cant anyone see the skills Brook has?...Yeah got flaws defo, but hes skilled man

Holmes

· #35 · Oct 18, 2012 (Edited)

Holmes said:
Miguel2010 said:

Khans best win is Maidana? You agree?....Prescott aside, he hasnt fought another puncher except Maidana....

Cant anyone see the skills Brook has?...Yeah got flaws defo, but hes skilled man

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Garcia was one obviously :lol:

Judah can hurt and so can McCloskey if he connects. I get what you're saying but Maidana fight told me enough to know he can take a blow. Garcia simply hit him clean the same as Prescott did and he was cold both times. Brook doesn't hit as hard as people believe imo, when was the last time he knocked somebody out properly?

I can see Brook has skills but they aren't world class skills imo. He hasn't got a good defense, he's not a power puncher and he hasn't got great stamina. He's in a division with fighters who are shit hot to be frank. I compare him to the champs and contenders and I simply think he's a level below. I think he's too far set in his ways to make enough changes to compensate too. He's been fighting fights which are meant to lead to something forever it seems and he's shown me little to suggest the hype is warranted.

I wish him all the best though,a woman beater aside, everyone deserves a chance.

Noonaldinho

· #36 · Oct 18, 2012

Miguel2010 said:
Nah, this is for shot at the IBF title....The words final eliminator should give you a clue.

I call bullshit on this. His next fight will not be for the IBF title :deal

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #37 · Oct 18, 2012

Holmes said:
Holmes said:

Garcia was one obviously :lol:

Judah can hurt and so can McCloskey if he connects. I get what you're saying but Maidana fight told me enough to know he can take a blow. Garcia simply hit him clean the same as Prescott did and he was cold both times. Brook doesn't hit as hard as people believe imo, when was the last time he knocked somebody out properly?

I can see Brook has skills but they aren't world class skills imo. He hasn't got a good defense, he's not a power puncher and he hasn't got great stamina. He's in a division with fighters who are shit hot to be frank. I compare him to the champs and contenders and I simply think he's a level below. I think he's too far set in his ways to make enough changes to compensate too. He's been fighting fights which are meant to lead to something forever it seems and he's shown me little to suggest the hype is warranted.

I wish him all the best though,a woman beater aside, everyone deserves a chance.

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I updated it mate and fucked up Im converting a dvd for someone and pc has went mental!....I said hasn't fought any puncher except Maidana and won.

Yeah Brooks not mega power, decent power, Khans chin doesnt need massive power IMO to be wobbled, its been shook now its very weak IMO. Brooks stamina seemed ok when he went 12 with the teak tough whats his face always forget his name....The African lad. Wonder if it really was the broken shnoz that hampered Kell vs Carson Jones?

Lot of questions need answering. Im looking forward to Sat night...Its also my Bday, so Im getting smashed!........

So is Hector Saldivia!

Miguel2010

Discussion Starter · #38 · Oct 18, 2012

Noonaldinho said:
I call bullshit on this. His next fight will not be for the IBF title :deal

Its for the number 1 spot, in IBF...I know what your saying like I kind of get the feeling the next fight wont be at the IBF title.....I fucking hope its vs Khan now...Just to put it to bed once an for all.

Probs wont happen until Ricky is in the mix if he comes thru Schechenko (spelling?)....Good little mix in the WW right now....Lots of tasty fights for us Brits anyway!

Holmes

· #39 · Oct 18, 2012

Miguel2010 said:
Holmes said:

I updated it mate and fucked up Im converting a dvd for someone and pc has went mental!....I said hasn't fought any puncher except Maidana and won.

Yeah Brooks not mega power, decent power, Khans chin doesnt need massive power IMO to be wobbled, its been shook now its very weak IMO. Brooks stamina seemed ok when he went 12 with the teak tough whats his face always forget his name....The African lad. Wonder if it really was the broken shnoz that hampered Kell vs Carson Jones?

Lot of questions need answering. Im looking forward to Sat night...Its also my Bday, so Im getting smashed!........

So is Hector Saldivia!

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I wish him the best mate, never mistake my words as hate mate. I'm just calling what I see. It's levels and Brook is lower than Khan and I predict he will not fight for title just like Noon as said, he will have yet another nearly there fight again, and probably again.

Realistically he cannot compete at that division, for paydays its great, for a strap it isn't. He be wise to move up when possible.

Noonaldinho

· #40 · Oct 18, 2012

Miguel2010 said:
Holmes said:

I updated it mate and fucked up Im converting a dvd for someone and pc has went mental!....I said hasn't fought any puncher except Maidana and won.

Yeah Brooks not mega power, decent power, Khans chin doesnt need massive power IMO to be wobbled, its been shook now its very weak IMO. Brooks stamina seemed ok when he went 12 with the teak tough whats his face always forget his name....The African lad. Wonder if it really was the broken shnoz that hampered Kell vs Carson Jones?

Lot of questions need answering. Im looking forward to Sat night...Its also my Bday, so Im getting smashed!........

So is Hector Saldivia!

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Who has Brook beaten that is anywhere near the level of Khans last 6 opponents? For us to gauge levels

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