Bunce phone-in tonight from 7pm

Lunny said:

Out of interest what recent fights would you say are most likely the result of corrupt, rather than inept, judges?

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The Flintoff 'fight' stunk.

The promoter pays for the judges hotel and expenses. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

Roe said:

Personally for me, I'd say fights like Abril/Rios, Chisora/Helenius and Campillo/Cloud were corrupt, while Pacquiao/Marquez 3 was more down to the judges being inept.

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Good shouts. It's hard to tell with Chisora-Helenius though as it was a big fight in Finland and the crowd went absolutely nuts every time Helenius so much as moved an arm and were completely silent with Chisora. I remember Duke McKenzie (I think) had a very weird card that night too.

Wallet said:

The Flintoff 'fight' stunk.

The promoter pays for the judges hotel and expenses. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

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Yeah, I didn't even realise the discrepancy in that fight until last night's Bunce Hour when someone rang in asking about it. Hadn't paid too much attention to the fight. Very odd scoring.

Not really that odd a scoring. 3 rounds to 1 to Flintoff plus the knockdown for Dawson.

Yeah I didn't see anything wrong with the scoring for Flintoff's fight either. 39-38 must've been 1 even round, 2 for Flintoff and a 10-9 for Dawson when he scored the knockdown but Flintoff won the rest.

I probably would've had it 39-37 for Flintoff. Even if it was a 10-8 round, Flintoff still won all the other rounds.

What's your beef with the Flintoff judging, @Wallet? :think

I think Dawson refusing to fight was more indicative of the fix than the scoring. The guy literally threw 3 punches per round and looked like he was putting nothing into them, yet still somehow scored a knockdown. he could have took Flintoff out in one if he wanted to.

chatty said:

I think Dawson refusing to fight was more indicative of the fix than the scoring. The guy literally threw 3 punches per round and looked like he was putting nothing into them, yet still somehow scored a knockdown. he could have took Flintoff out in one if he wanted to.

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Agreed there, he really didn't seem to be putting any effort in.

chatty said:

I think Dawson refusing to fight was more indicative of the fix than the scoring. The guy literally threw 3 punches per round and looked like he was putting nothing into them, yet still somehow scored a knockdown. he could have took Flintoff out in one if he wanted to.

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was it someone on here or maybe a boxer on twitter said thats the first accidental knockdown he'd seen? where the guy scoring it looked like he'd fucked things up, interesting to see what payment he got and think how that might have been different if he'd lost

chatty said:

I think Dawson refusing to fight was more indicative of the fix than the scoring.

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Perhaps.

chatty said:

I think Dawson refusing to fight was more indicative of the fix than the scoring. The guy literally threw 3 punches per round and looked like he was putting nothing into them, yet still somehow scored a knockdown. he could have took Flintoff out in one if he wanted to.

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This.

Roe said:

Personally for me, I'd say fights like Abril/Rios, Chisora/Helenius and Campillo/Cloud were corrupt, while Pacquiao/Marquez 3 was more down to the judges being inept.

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Gonna add Adamek-Chambers and Adamek-Cunningham 2 to the list for corruption.

Lunny said:

Gonna add Adamek-Chambers and Adamek-Cunningham 2 to the list for corruption.

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Yeah, Adamek/Chambers was one of the worst of the year for me actually. Terrible and the fact that Eddie was one-armed for nearly all the fight and still dominated made it even worse.

The point Buncey made about judges etc spending a few days with the promoter is spot on. From what I saw this is exactly right, there's no actual corruption I think it is just the judges feeling obliged or closer to a certain fighter.

Especially the point about getting their photo taken!

Andy Lee seems like a genuinely sound fella too, about time he did a bit of media work over here. I think he'll flourish under Booth too.

JamieC said:

was it someone on here or maybe a boxer on twitter said thats the first accidental knockdown he'd seen? where the guy scoring it looked like he'd fucked things up, interesting to see what payment he got and think how that might have been different if he'd lost

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:lol: This is sadly true.